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D22 nav vs ranger 12v
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:25 pm    Post subject: D22 nav vs ranger 12v Reply with quote

Torn between a D22 nav and a Ford ranger 2.5 12v...

I know a fair bit about the D22 but not a great deal on the Ford. From what I gather both are fairly good off road, is there any thing I should be aware of with the Ford?

I'd probably like a little more power from a ranger, I guess an egr blank and exhaust would help?

Any tips and advice appreciated!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a ranger for my daily driver

Much better truck I bought a nav and the headgasket blew driving it home luckily I bought via a trader so got my money back
The nav is prone to con rod failure that results in a rod out the block the ford can have issues with the cylinder head cracking but I would rather change a head than an entire lump

The ford has a lsd in the rear as standard too

I have egress blank turned up the pump and 2.5 inch manifold back exhaust and it's much better than standard

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am aware of the rod/bolt issues with the navs. Many are sold with recon engines due to this.

Was not aware of the head on a Ford though so will keep that in mind! With regard to the pump, how do you mean turn it up?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mk1/2 ranger uses the mazda wl-t engine the fuel pump is a mechanical unit. You can adjust the diaphragm to get some more fuel into it.... more fuel more power

On the top of the pump is a small Alan key and nut loosen the nut and turn the alan key clockwise a 1/4 turn at a time until you get the desired effect

Don't go to far as you can get the exhaust gas Temps to high and risk melting the tops of the pistons but this can happen with any diesel engine

I plan to fit a ducted top mount intercooler to mine for a couple of reasons firstly to make space for a winch bumper and secondly to allow a bigger cooler to be fitted. Bigger cooler means a cooler air charge and can help lower gas Temps so that means I can wind the pump up some more and fiddle with the turbo pressure too

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be put off but the head thing as it's quite rare in comparison to the navara issues and new heads can be had fairly cheap

I'm really glad I got the ford in the end as it's a much more sturdy truck

Old ford's never die just go faster I do believe the saying is

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see! Ok that's very helpful, thank you.

This is majorly swaying me toward the Ford now as they seem to be much easier to come by and are less expensive for parts.

I'd probably go down the route of a slight lift, all terrain tyres ect. Any recommendations for this?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lift is simple there torsion bars on the front and leaf in the rear so set of extend shackles at the back and just adjust the torsion bars up a little at the front

Upper arms can be re shimed for camber adjustment

You will need to adjust the rear compensation valve for the new ride hight if lifting as it can affect the brakes

There is also a body lift kit or two available up to 3 inch I think

Couple of truck I have seen are running 35 inch tyres 😎

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lift is simple there torsion bars on the front and leaf in the rear so set of extend shackles at the back and just adjust the torsion bars up a little at the front

Upper arms can be re shimed for camber adjustment

You will need to adjust the rear compensation valve for the new ride hight if lifting as it can affect the brakes

There is also a body lift kit or two available up to 3 inch I think

Couple of truck I have seen are running 35 inch tyres 😎



We do body lifts up to 3" including front bumper relocation blocks and extended high performance brake hoses see here
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boom there ya go lol
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff thanks guys!

In terms of cranking the torsion bars and fitting the shims, how'd I go about doing that? Also I have seen lifting blocks for the rear, I guess these sit between the leafs and axle... Are they advised or are longer shackles better?

Also I know you could buy freewheeling hubs for the Navs. Is this the case with the Ford also? Reason being I heard they free up a few mpg
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The torsion bars have an adjuster at the rear end spray it with wd40 or similar for a couple of days before you start.
Then jack up the front end and sit on axle stands to keep it safe, get under it and adjust the 19mm or 17mm nut tighter this puts more pressure on the bar and lifts the truck
Taking the weight off the front makes adjustment much easier as some of the tension is removed

Make sure you measure floor to top edge of arch each side before you start and adjust equal amounts side to side counting the turns you make on the adjuster nut then sit it back on the floor and mature again.... I found two inches was a tad to much for my cv joints so dropped to 1.5 and it's much better.

To re shim loosen the two large nuts that bolt the upper arm to the chassis and add shims until your camber comes back to standard again probably best check with an alignment at a garage

Shackles would be better over the blocks as they put extra twist stresses in the piviot or the axle and will likely bend the leaf if used heavily

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great advice, thanks!

You mention also you run a 2.5" pipe from the manifold? Does it not run from the turbo? Whats the standard diameter?

Apparently there are 84 and 109bhp versions, the more powerful with a rear LSD. Is there a way to tell one from the other?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's from the down pipe back I custom made a center box and the pipe is an old stainless side step it exits in front of the passenger rear wheel

Standard is 2 inch I think

To tell the difference one will handle an lsd the other won't hahah to be honest I have no idea how to spot the difference but the logbook give a power output I think

Both trucks will run the same engine just different tune I think... don't quote me on it but I think all 4x4s were 109 because of the extra loads of the trans

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome doesn't get much more bad ass than a side exit pipe made from a side step!

That would make sence to have the 4x4s the higher output.

Got any pictures of yours? Sounds pretty cool!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have but I cant post them from Android unfortunately and I don't have a laptop anymore
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries man, thank you for all your advice!

One more question though, do you know what tyres will fit as standard? I'd probably buy new wheels and AT tyres
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 31s on mine with a light bumper trim I run bfg at but also have some bronco grizzly claws
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cool, and what size are they? Fairly new to 4x4 talk so I guess 31 is the diameter?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Yeah there 31 10.50 15 they measure 31 inches from ground to top of tyre 10.5 inches wide
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I had a 2002 and 2007 ranger which are rebaged mazdas. Overall happy with them. The 2002 cost me a lot as the high pressure fuel pump packed in at around 80k miles and Ford lost it when getting it reconditioned. This car also had a service interval of 3000 miles! The 07 was a really nice drive, very car like, too high geared for a lot of towing, I had a few problems with the front suspension and a few other niggles that ford wouldn't touch as most of the car only had a 1 year warranty but it was still a good car when I sold it with 80 or 90k on.

We had a 56 navara at work, ok as a big car but all show in my opinion, not really a worker.

I currently have a 2010 rodeo 3.0 and touch wood with the clock upto 87k i dont tjibk its ever had a none service item on it. Work wanted me to swap it last year but I managed to put them off but I think they will make me change it this year which is a shame as I really like it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok pretty big then, I guess that's a 225 or something like that. With your torsion bars cranked, rear lifted and big tyres I guess you rarely find ground clearance an issue?

I have heard of the fuel pumps going being an expensive job, I guess keeping the tank fairly topped up would help prolong them though? The 07+ does appeal to me with taller gearing as I dont really plan on towing anything heavy, but 3k service intervals doesn't boast confidence!
I also like the simplicity of the tddi engine, even if it does sacrifice some power the fact it's easier and more reliable to tune I like.

As for the Rodeo they seem to be a little out of my budget but the do seem like real nice trucks
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ground clearance isn't to much of an issue to be fair bit the brake over angle is because of the lwb sometimes it will struggle for rear end grip if it's empty

I use my for work and play it goes shooting fishing long drives to the coast where my wife's mum lives it tows my 16ft fishing boat up and down slime covered gravel ramps
It sets up the clay shoot traps across open fields and muddy tracks it goes open green laneing it hauls heavy metal parts for work

And much more

Then hose it off wack some polish over it and take it up the pub lol

If it's a serious off roader your looking for then something shorter would be better but as an all round day to day car that's built for the outdoor persons demands it's absolutely perfect..... at least for me

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did wonder about weight/grip on the rear, id go for a crew cab anyway though so at least there is a little more back there rather than single or super cabs.

Otherwise that sounds ideal, would be used for similar duties other than towing and super heavy loads. Pretty much sold on the Ford now!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol good man you won't regret it

The grip isn't that bad just be mindful of it when wet or icy.... personally I like a bit of sideways

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the 07 ranger was 12k service intervals and I never had any engine trouble with the 2.5td lump in the 80 odd k I had it. It was the most car like one I've ever owned (not that you can really call any of them car like). It just seemed to give me a lof of front suspension bush / link problems that used to make it scrub front tyres. Maybe I just had a bad one Smile

If you struggle for rear end grip you could always try chucking half a dozen bags of sand it.








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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always had RWD cars, some on **** tyres so familiar with sliding around haha!

And Awesome pictures by the way, I'd consider a newer one but like I say they may be just over budget!
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I only have new ones as they're for work not mine Smile
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Some people are just lucky with work.... I'm stuck with a Renault traffic lol
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I'm stuck with a Ford Transit Courier, with 75bhp and a masternaught tracker Rolling Eyes
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so long as they get the job done!
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