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tgb 1314 or 1315 (volvo C306) in uk

 
 
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JMcD
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:11 pm    Post subject: tgb 1314 or 1315 (volvo C306) in uk Reply with quote

Anyone know of a tgb 1314 or 1315 (volvo C306), in uk, for sale.
Or that I can take a look at to get an idea of dimensions etc. As with many of you these have captured my imagination and I'm looking for something bigger than my old 110 V8

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimensions ....



add 1000mm for the 6x6, the wheelbase between axles 1 and 2 remains the same - 90" The height at the rear of the 6x6 can be about 2" more than the 4x4 if not loaded but officially it is the same. MGW is 4400kg but you can easily plate it down to register it at 3500kg (pm me to ask how)




FYI
C3 is civilian designation, TGB is military
C303 = TGB11 = 4x4 (TGB1111 is the soft top tank killer)
C304 = TGB13 = 6x6 with the same wheelbase as the 4x4 (TGB13 is command vehicle, 1314 has box body)
C306 = TGB20 = 6x6 LWB - only available as military personnel transporter top speed 45mph, lower geared both in diff and gearbox


They are really really hard to find these days in any condition. Expect to pay £10k for a decent one. I have a few contacts I can pm you if you are serious.

I have all the manuals and more information than you can eat Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard,

Thanks for your reply.
I have what looks like a fairly complete set of manuals for the C303tI'm specifically interested in the internal dims for the ambulance box body on the 6x6. We are considering building a camper. Before I go to the effort of tracking one down I'd like to see if I can design a satisfactory layout for the living space. Question is will it be big enough for 2 of us 2 dogs and loads of stuff
If I could find the details of the box structure then I can also decide if it's worthwhile extending It/raising roof height/improving insulation (partner feels the cold). Also to see if the box will fit inside my garage so I can work on it.
Interesting that it can be down rated to 3.5tonnes. Probably means that you can't put much in an ambulance body.
If they can be rated at 3.5 tonnes without VOSA getting upset then it would mean my partner could also drive it. I was facing the problem of getting her to sit her test to drive up to 7.5 tonne so we could look at other vehicles than 3.5 tonne delivery vans.

Also before we go too far I'd need to let partner see one of the varients in the flesh. She may change her thinking once she has sat in one. Remains to be seen if the change is for better or worse.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO No.

Too small. Ok for a couple at a pinch but not for animals as well.

I'll working on 13' being a minumum length for a livable body with 6'2" head and around 6'6" width. All internal heights.

You'll really appreciate not hitting your head.

Welcome to the land of unimogs, bedfords, leylands and MAN's.

Oh for the whole garage thing - demountable. Look at the corner locks on containers, the set up is pretty cheap and means that you can lift off the chassis using camper jacks and have a self contained unit if you need to work on the main vehicle. Obviously this isn't applicable to vans.

Also I recommend getting hold of a copy of this book.

http://www.motorhomeplanet.co.uk/archives/2138
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FFR/Ambulance body is not listed on those pdfs.

The TGB is very versatile but it depends on your budget and where you want to go and how long its going to take.

The TGB13(14) is slow and thirsty (3.0L 6 cyl petrol) although you can fit a diesel which itself is expensive and fraught with challenges. The cab and box setup can be anything you like. The body is over 7' wide externally and getting on for 6'2 internal height IIRC.

People have fitted pop tops, raised roofs, curved roofs, overhanging rear portions etc often on demountable bodies. Your wallet and imagination are the only limits.

A word of caution, however. The newest of these vehicles was made before 1980 and many parts are simply no longer available and I include normal service items like king pin bearings. Sure, you can convert and make anything you need but only at a cost and not in the remoter parts of the world even with the best bush mechanics.

Do you really need 6x6? The Unimog or MAN could be an easier route.

The TGB has a nice cab but there's not much comfort or space especially if you're over 6'. I loved mine and if I had the cash and space I would have another like a shot and either keep it standard or go crazy but to go round the world? I'd spend the cash on hotels and flights and be quids in!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard,

I know all about thirsty with 4.6 l V8 110. It is though capable of somewhere over 100 mph. The Tgb 1314 I suspect tops out at 50 mph.
Do I need 6x6, no, but that is not the whole reason for being interested in one. It will have all the issues of owning many old classics but is, like the land rover, going to be easier to modify than many.
The overall size suits the size of our drive and garage and the general size of components etc is within the capability of the equipment I currently have.
We will be restricting ourselves to the limits of the pet passports but at any time of year to hopefully remote places but only for shortish periods at a time. Problem we have had is that often hotels etc only allow 1 dog per room and baulk at dogs that have been on the hill all day and in winter it is too cold to leave them all night in the car. Costs soon mount up. It's also easier to have the dogs in a vehicle than a tent.
Also easier to go on spur of the moment trips and see where the roads take you in a camper.

Dxmedia

I've had a look at the dafs and uniogs etc and although interesting they will be a struggle for me to keep at home and look after. Just a wee bit too big. Some of them seem to have GVW over 7.5 tonnes. Can they be down rated?

Part of the appeal of the tgb1314 is that the box is demountable.

I've ordered the book


Generally I could convert a merc sprinter, or the like, to meet many of our needs but I'd also like a vehicle to go and play with (replace the landrover)and that won't bore the pants off me and that will get to our destination in the snow.

Another consideration may be a 101 but I like the look of the Volvo better.
The decider is likely to be cost of the base vehicle, £10000 before mods is a bit harsh, and what the woman in charge thinks of them, but I'll keep looking

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cost of the TGB relates to rarity. Iirc they only made 8,000 of them and very few 6x6.

I last saw one being sold from Finland? Last year and it went for £6,000. I'd allow £1500 to get back to the UK, more if it's a 1314 due to the height. The. You need to recommission it before the MOT.

I'll Pm you my Swedish pal's contact details. 1314s are easier to find than 13s

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMcD wrote:
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I've had a look at the dafs and uniogs etc and although interesting they will be a struggle for me to keep at home and look after. Just a wee bit too big. Some of them seem to have GVW over 7.5 tonnes. Can they be down rated?

Part of the appeal of the tgb1314 is that the box is demountable.

I've ordered the book



I've a u1300l which is rated at 7,499kg's. Working on it is a doddle. The same with most comercials is that they are designed to be worked on, a league apart from passenger cars. For example, I needed to change a difflock seal on the rear axle (the pressurized fording system which causing oil to blow past a portal seal - Yes pressurized system where the whole drive train including the gearbox runs at around 8psi to stop water going in when you're at the 1.2m factory fording depth). The axle unbolts into three pieces so wheel off, engine hoist in, undo the hydraulic brake line and unbolt half of the axle to swap the seal. It really is that simple.

The turning circule of my mog is better than a 110 landrover, it's on commercial tyres which are (second hand) very cheap, all the filters are off the shelf and it's exceptionally reliable. In the last three years I've spent less time working on it than I have in the past 3 months on my jeep.

The unladen weight is 4.5 tonnes with driver and fuel. That gives 3 tonnes for the camper. Sounds like a lot, but it isn't. When you've a 200l white water, 100l black and 200 grey, well that's 1/2 a tonne gone already. The box on the back - well the MOD spec insulated alloy cabins weigh in at 900kg and they are pretty light considering.

I'm not saying that a volvo isn't an outstanding vehicle, but in my own humble opinion, for an overlander they are too small.

I would strongly recommend making a list of needs, for me that was a permanent bed (what do you do when one of you is ill and it's raining? You'll want a table to sit at which isn't the bed). A self contained lavvy (again, someone has been for a dump, you'll want to be closing a door on that for a few minutes) a table, seats and a space which you can actually cook at. Get some graph paper and cut out the minimum size shapes for these things and then work out the smallest box which you can put all these in. That will dictate what the base vehicle size will be.

If you want a demountable which is cheap and very well insulated, look at the backs of the supermarket home delivery trucks, they go through ebay for about £500 and there's standing room in them Wink Often they are 11' long, but you can also get 14' ones (which would be perfect on the back of a mog).

Also keep in consideration the 60% rule. You can have an overhang after the rear axle of 60% of the wheel base legally (there's a more modern calculation which replaces the 60% rule, it works out slightly more than 60% but not by much. This includes the total length, so if you want to hang a bike on the back, this needs to be included. There is no calculation for hanging off the front, hence a log of the unimog campers having motorbikes mounted on the front bumper along with spare tyres...

Also concider where you are going. If you break down in the sahara for sake of argument how are you going to get help? A little 250cc motorcross bike hung somewhere of the vehicle would be akin to a life raft on a boat. I've been toying with the idea of using the front linkage to hold a bike off the ground.

Have you read the xorg website? There's some brilliant information on that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sensible advice

Having tried to make my TGB camper like I found I spent a fortune and took months to ruin a perfectly good off road load lugger (mine was a command cab).

For me, the paucity of spares is the main downfall of the TGB.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should say about the 60% rule. If you've a multi rear axle set up (6x6) then the wheel base is from the front axle to the forward of the rear axles then the 60% is taken from the front of the rear axles back, not from the rear most axles. It's why multi rear axle vehicles tend not to have as greater overhang at the rear as two axle vehicles.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:01 pm    Post subject: TGB 1314 to view in London Reply with quote

Hi All

I know this thread is a bit old, just wanted to say that I have a TGB1314 in stock-ish condition that lives in East London.

Its not for sale as I love it, but if anyone wants to have a look-see and clamber about on it before bidding on one that is too far away to see, get in touch. I bought it without having seen it (Richards fault Wink ).

We use it for a camper, but I wouldn't want to take it further than France unless someone else was paying for the petrol!

Its currently away getting some axle-love from Jez at HOFS, but will be back in April.

Also, there is one on eBay, asking price £8k. As much as I love the TGB, if I was looking for an overland camper I would probably look at Mogs...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you had only said this 6 months ago before I bought my 90 Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

?? Surely you remember what they look like Richard!

If I ever get enough money to take the truck camping in Scotland I will pop in for a cup of tea Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, misread your post ... I thought you were selling it Rolling Eyes Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, its too much fun at Glastonbury and I've just got the cocktail shelf how I like it!

There are a couple on eBay at present though, maybe more up you street as they look like challenge-type trucks, and I think they are north of the border...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are both TGB1111s - the tank killer.

I know of 2 that had 6x6 cabs fitted. The one going for £15k is nice but about double what it should be!

I'd only have a 6x6 command cab (TGB13) if I were getting another one.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they are definitely the pick of the bunch, although the box-back models like mine do allow for more flexibility of use. And when you take the box off they *almost* feel racy Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been away from the search for a while but the posts in the interim are interesting
I've PMd some of you

Cheers John
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