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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:45 pm    Post subject: George Galloway should be prosecuted ... Reply with quote

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-crown...ic-order-act-1986


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On Saturday 2 August 2014 George Galloway, MP for Bradford West stated in a public meeting that:

"We have declared Bradford an Israel-free zone.

"We don't want any Israeli goods, we don't want any Israeli services, we don't want any Israeli academics coming to the university or the college, we don't even want any Israeli tourists to come to Bradford, even if any of them had thought of doing so.

"We reject this illegal, barbarous, savage state that calls itself Israel. And you have to do the same."

We, the undersigned, submit that these comments step way beyond the boundaries of free expression and legitimate debate and their only purpose was to cause harassment, alarm or distress to a specific group of people.

We further submit that this offence is a racially aggravated one.

Under S.28.1(a) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 a crime is racially aggravated if: "At the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victims membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group or; (b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership of that group."

We would further submit that under S.28.4 a 'racial group' means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

We further submit that the facts consitute a prima facie case against Mr Galloway and at this stage there is sufficient evidence to charge him and put him before the courts.


If for no other reason than would he allowed to spout the same stuff if the word "Israeli" is replaced with 'Pakistani', 'Black', or 'Indian'

For so many people Jews are considered the same as Israelis, would the kind of mouth breather wound up by Galloway know that someone wearing a yarmulke or walking in/out of a Synagogue is not an Israeli?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not too clued up on politics but maybe we should start by not selling them any more weapons? Wink

Who wants to go to Bradford anyway???

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what if it was changed to Zionist?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Bradford has all the weapons it needs!

This is NOT about the Middle East situation it is simply about an sitting UK MP (Bradford West) inciting racial hatred and not being held accountable for his breaking of the law.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldn't be so surprised Richard it's not like he hasn't done it before!
But you are right, the guy is a dick

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

** GED ** wrote:
what if it was changed to Zionist?


Ah, Ged, you now make the link between political view and antisemitism.

It is a basic tenet of modern political thought that it is up to the individual to define their beliefs but it seems that Jews are, so often, the only ones not accorded that right. Zionism is now defined by the ant-Zionist.

I am a Zionist; I believe that Jews have the right to self determination and that Israel, as the natural home for the Jewish People has the right to exist. I also believe that the Palestinians also have the equal rights.

I'm not just Zionist but I am also Pro-Palestinian. The Palestinians have been harassed, intimidated, beaten and murdered .... by Hamas. Hamas needs Israel to attack them, it needs the civilian deaths (Caution needed with Gaza casualty figures) and cynically they store weapons under UN buildings and deliberately fire their rockets from hospitals and schools in the hope of collateral damage. This is widely reported in The Times, by international reporters (many of who were threatened by Hamas if they reported and now having left and spilled the beans cannot return) and UN humanitarian workers (as featured on BBC2 Jeremy Vine Show last week).

Hamas is the enemy of the Palestinians not Israel and George Galloway is actively calling for physical action to be taken against Israelis and anyone associating themselves with, or could be mistaken for, Israelis. Its illegal Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You shouldn't be so surprised Richard it's not like he hasn't done it before!
But you are right, the guy is a dick


It's not illegal to be a dick, fortunately Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Twiss wrote:
You shouldn't be so surprised Richard it's not like he hasn't done it before!
But you are right, the guy is a dick


It's not illegal to be a dick, fortunately Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GED would be locked up by now Razz

I agree that its not really Israel's fault that Hamas are attacking them... but it is their (government's) fault that they use massively heavy handed tactics to deal with the problem.

A lot of the time its seems to me like attacking a mosquito with an RPG.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and what about the origins of Hamas?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I say Im not that clued up on the politics of the situation but I understand that Hamas probably wouldn't exist in the same way it does today if not for the actions of Israel...

Any bets on how long it takes for the Bradford division of Hamas to surface?
I probably wouldn't object to military action against George Galloway...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

** GED ** wrote:
and what about the origins of Hamas?


What about it? Oh, apart from having the total eradication of Israel as a primary aim although http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Goals mentions possibilities of former leaders of a truce that could last as long as 20 years!!!!

Any 'Government' that uses their own children as human shields is not to be trusted. Only Qatar supports Hamas ... and Galloway.

the font of all knowledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hamas)says

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Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations. In the 1980s the Brotherhood emerged as a powerful political factor, challenging the influence of the PLO,[1] and in 1987 adopted a more nationalist and activist line under the name of Hamas.[1] During the 1990s and early 2000s, the organization conducted numerous suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel.

In the Palestinian legislative election of January 2006, Hamas gained a large majority of seats in the Palestinian Parliament, defeating the ruling Fatah party. After the elections, conflicts arose between Hamas and Fatah, which they were unable to resolve.[2][3][4] In June 2007, Hamas defeated Fatah in a series of violent clashes, and since that time Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories, while at the same time they were ousted from government positions in the West Bank.[5][6] Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza and largely sealed their borders with the territory.[7][8]

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought

George Galloway gushed in support of Saddam Hussain and we know how that ended ....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twiss wrote:
Like I say Im not that clued up on the politics of the situation but I understand that Hamas probably wouldn't exist in the same way it does today if not for the existence of Israel...


edited for accuracy.


Twiss wrote:
Any bets on how long it takes for the Bradford division of Hamas to surface?
I probably wouldn't object to military action against George Galloway...


There are groups like that and many have been banned, like Hizb'ut Tahrir

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RichardD wrote:
I also believe that the Palestinians also have the equal rights.


see richard, i look at it this way....


if everyone thought as you did, then maybe there wouldnt have been 50 or 60 years worth of land grabbing and maybe there would have been enough room for the palestinians and maybe Hamas wouldnt have been able to play that card and maybe they wouldnt be chucking rockets into their own back yard and maybe we could be sitting here watching two different countries trying to wipe each other off the map.

but thats a lot of maybe`s....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ged, you're not suggesting that I should be in charge Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ged, you're not suggesting that I should be in charge Shocked





haven't we been here before?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RichardD wrote:
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Yeah, but GED's been barred more times than you...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

** GED ** wrote:
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Ged, you're not suggesting that I should be in charge Shocked





haven't we been here before?



And we all know what happens when I'm left in control Shocked Shocked Shocked

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Wonder what the chances would be of getting George Galloway deported to Gaza Question
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever wondered if George Galloway was MP for Finchley & Golders Green his rant would be slightly different...?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking as one who has had to deal with him...George is a prize dick. But so are most of the others as well.

To be honest he is seen as a joke by most folk on this patch.



The middle east will never be sorted - it is a family dispute that has been going on since before the days of Ahura Mazda let alone his 3 descendants.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speaking as one who has had to deal with him...George is a prize dick. But so are most of the others as well.

To be honest he is seen as a joke by most folk on this patch.



The middle east will never be sorted - it is a family dispute that has been going on since before the days of Ahura Mazda let alone his 3 descendants.


That's it, blame the Japanese...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's coming to Belfast http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28806830

I won't be attending

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's coming to Belfast http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28806830

I won't be attending



Why? I would have thought that with your other hobby he would make a good and justified target.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28769435

Note the comments at the end reporting the anti-semitic attacks in recent weeks. If this is purely an international political affair then why is Mr Galloway, amongst others, not condemning such acts?

British Jews, myself included, are experiencing the worst level of threat, anti-semitism (both active and passive) since WW2 simply because we are the same religion as a Foreign Government. People like Galloway are actively adding to that with every speech and every statement. There is a real concern in the Scottish Jewish Community, given the natural hard left political leanings of both SNP and Labour who are likely to be an independent Scotland's Government for every more, that if there is a yes vote then there will cease to be a place for Jews in Scotland.

We are a minority of less than 0.1% of the population so it seems that many Local Councils do not see that offering support for Palestinians whilst pointedly ignoring Israel's right to exist simply fuels anti-semitism. It links Jewish expression of identity with the policies and actions of a sovereign foreign power. As a direct result of such flag flying I have had customers question the ethics of buying goods from my company because I am Jewish.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush...
Sounds a bit like... oh you're a muslim? you must be a terrorist then

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