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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: dust bowl Reply with quote

Is it me or is differs real slow compared to a few years back
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is a bit...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

page refreshing or usage?

IMO both but although I can think of a large number of reasons I can't point at one or two alone. Having sold my buggy and stepped down from running Clubs/competitions my involvement is greatly reduced.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mean the amount of people that use the site I guess recession hit
Hard and most sold up

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grass roots offroading is getting harder every day. Ultra4 is up, trials are down.

I'm not adding much myself. Still putting hours and hours of work into my truck, but it's repair work so not post worthy? Nothing for folk to 'get into'. My 'winch and drive' performance dropping off because the hyd pump has wear isn't very exciting Smile Unless you paid the bill Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I only visit occasiionally nowadays. My interest is older vehicles (LR leafers). everybody else has moved onto new stuff (LR coilers ... or worse).

New stuff is boring, nothing goes wrong (why should it?) Since playing silly buggers with her SAAB several years ago (wrote of the SAAB, my Disco, and a Transit type van, from a standing start) my SWMBO has been driving two new KIAS and a new Hyundai ... drive out of showroom, drive back in 12 months later. Nothing happens in between. Boring! At least my Peugeot 306 broke a wiper blade.

My 1959 Land Rover rebuild project is keeping me sane.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's less than 10 people post regularly, so there's zero banter and ultimately zero bonding in the members.

Some people do try and start banter threads, but unless there's reciprocation it's a losing battle.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ what he said ^

Personally I spend more time in work actually working and less time on the interweb and during my "free" time I have more than enough real life things to fill my time but I still try to spend a bit of time in here and help with techncial advice (and banter) where I can

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm one of those who's sold up. My 110 is reliable enough and my interests are cleaner now - I'd love to more challenges and competitions but at £25k for a decent buggy and £1000 per competition .......
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I know it's a tough world..... I used to love the oshi mooch posts. Seeing stuff evolved from standard to modded no matter what it is technical advise at the drop of a post.... And it's all going or gone

Even the show scene is dead I just did landy live with Colin (team chaos) and it was real tough to get interest from punters most of the
ttraders struggled to cover fuel and pitch costs,

Could it be.... Dare I say it..... Off roading is a declining sport :-S

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(pete) wrote:

Could it be.... Dare I say it..... Off roading is a declining sport :-S


I think not, off-roading in the uk is more static - neither declining nor growing i.e. for every one who gives it up someone steps in to replace them and even then the sport takes second or third place to holidays, birthdays and christmas.

Dates should play an important part for show organisers - shows at the end of/beginning of a month will generate more interest and income that those in the middle of a month - why? - just ask ourself when you get paid Laughing


Traders at a show.... is it advertising or selling? I'd go with advertising - the same as advertising in a magazine - showing the punter that you do exist in real life, if you sell at a show I'd call that the icing.

Personally I haven't been off-roading since my roll 2 years ago, my truck is still sitting in my garage with a rolled body on it - a replacement body is sitting in another garage waiting for some welding and respray, and this is for a lack of time not a lack of money - I'd love to get it back together again and start using it I'm in almost a drool state every time I start it up.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humm dunno mabie it's just me then lol
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(pete) wrote:
Humm dunno mabie it's just me then lol



No it's not just you, as DD said - less than 10 post regularly on here and I'd say none of those are real banter starters or would tend to join in...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look in every day, read the posts but maybe normally don't post. as what I have to post is not worth posting.

have been working a lot over last 12 months, 2 jobs, work most week days every fri and sat night so when sunday, or a day off or even the evenings, do come around I try and do the bits that need to be done, like today I will be fitting the dash trim kit to the disco and probably some bits one the gsx600 I am over hauling.


but in saying that a lot of the stuff I have been doing on the disco is fixing standard stuff or swapping broken bits for standard stuff.

have a full suspension bolt set ready to go in along with full suspension bushes and springs, shocks and retainer plates, and it should be happening on the 26th of this month if all goes to plan.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like fatboy, I look in every day, but I don't need to fill the world with asinine comments.

My landrover went to the carpark in the sky nearly three years ago. I keep promising myself I'll buy another, but I quite like not having to repair it every week.

I suppose I aught to go over to the VW forums, but they are imterested in polishing, which frankly is boring..

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Absquatulation mentioned the word "boring" may I remind you that the very incarnation of the word boring - "Wimbledon" - will be wall to wall on your telly very soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The off road competition world is alive and well although smaller than it was. We ran The Scotia Winch Challenge the other week, as normal, with 33 entries including a lot of new faces all of whom want instant updates on facebook.

The consensus is that people have very limited funds, not surprising considering a basic low-line competition winch is ~£1200 these days, and are very choosy about which competition the do. This can be extended to normal 4x4 activities. In 10 years we have gone from most people having mud terrain tyres and slightly taller springs as the sum total of their external off road prep to running heavily modified vehicles with £000s of equipment.

Given that we can't go backwards, it strikes me that most of us have taken 4x4s as far as they can go without doing the really silly/huge stuff like overland trips and serious adventures. Once you've got to that level then you either stick there or move on to the next obsession.

It is neither good nor bad, it is simply the way of things.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pete

Can't afford to keep my little truck on the road, so she sits, dusty in my work unit.

Can't even get motivated to change the clutch at the mo Sad

I could talk about the Terrano but ................... I can't even be bothered to finish this sentence Neutral

Please don't instigate banter ................ I know what you drive
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahahah tony I thought you got rid of the buggy and as for my daily drive well ferries rubber and people and kit and vw camper vans round perfectly lol

Its just an observation that it's become a little stale over the last couple of years

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather ironic that the busiest thread on the forum is the one discussing how quiet the forum is Smile


Bring back Ged..... Shocked

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God no don't bring back Ged lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not?

He’s mellowed out – hardly ever swears or raises his voice now Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahah well he did sleep a few hours I guess but still..... No need to subject difflock again huh

Ged I do hope your reading BRAINS

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this thread is ironic?

yeah?

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Ha!!

Cool

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Uh oh
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HIM wrote:
this thread is ironic?

yeah?

Shocked

No more ironic than any of the previous times the subject has come up.

Development of modifications has slowed, newer 4x4s do lend themselves to proper off road modification at an affordable price and we are increasingly legislated against on BOATS, and other Rights of Way and pay & play sites. Competitions are [almost] all struggling for entrants and many have simply disappeared.

Frankly I've seen nothing new and affordable for years. For all one might slag off Landrover the 4x4 'scene' in the UK has largely been driven by Defender ownership and with production ending next year it is obviously a dwindling marketplace for modification and an increasing one for restoration/conservation. Few of the Jap 4x4s have the same cache nor the same facility for inexpensive modification and none of them have the same type of following. They are regarded almost as throwaway off roaders by the time they are old enough to be ragged around a PnP site and are very unlikely to be restored.

It is natural for things to develop, blossom and then fade

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RichardD wrote:
HIM wrote:
this thread is ironic?

yeah?

Shocked

No more ironic than any of the previous times the subject has come up.

Development of modifications has slowed, newer 4x4s do lend themselves to proper off road modification at an affordable price and we are increasingly legislated against on BOATS, and other Rights of Way and pay & play sites. Competitions are [almost] all struggling for entrants and many have simply disappeared.

Frankly I've seen nothing new and affordable for years. For all one might slag off Landrover the 4x4 'scene' in the UK has largely been driven by Defender ownership and with production ending next year it is obviously a dwindling marketplace for modification and an increasing one for restoration/conservation. Few of the Jap 4x4s have the same cache nor the same facility for inexpensive modification and none of them have the same type of following. They are regarded almost as throwaway off roaders by the time they are old enough to be ragged around a PnP site and are very unlikely to be restored.

It is natural for things to develop, blossom and then fade



Forgive me if I seem to be reading this wrong Richard but you seem to be saying that once Defender production ends off-road competition ends as well?

I feel certain that there are many people that think the Defender is not the be-all and end-all of off-road competition, and, if you looked closely at many of the competition leaders you'll find that their Defenders have more Jap or Yank parts on them than Solihull.

The UK is currently experiencing a lull in off-roading... the rest of the world isn't! Laughing


BTW what legislation is being applied to P&P sites?
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No need to subject difflock again huh




Not even to pull Difflock out of the dust bowl you described it as? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting point xpajun.

if i remember correctly, it was me that was accused of putting it there.

yet i haven't been here

and its still there.....

it was quoted that difflock was bigger than one person.

but which person was that quote aimed at?

i dont believe forums are dying, one alternative fuels site im a member of has more posts per day than difflock has per week. and noone gets told to use the search function.

i know one of the mods on jeep club and they are happily bobbing along.

not everywhere is quiet

makes you wonder.

as for defenders driving the 4x4 scene, again i disagree.

the defender has traditionally been the reserve of those with a bit of money behind them. now that your average drug dealer and his mates have found them, the trend continues. sure, parts are cheap, but the vehicle is grossly overpriced for the spec level. only those with a bit of money, no taste and a blinkered approach as to lawnmowers still revere them. the tell tale line there is " it is obviously a dwindling marketplace for modification and an increasing one for restoration/conservation" which means get your wallet out, im going to grossly overcharge you for the privilege of conserving an inherently flawed vehicle.

at grass roots level, the SJ has done more for entry level, cheap offroading than anything.

but they are up against the flawed snobbery of the hairy shirt brigade.

this line"Few of the Jap 4x4s have the same cache" is a killer. does that translate to "lets look down our nose at the better equipped, comfier more refined and very capable piece of jap crap coz it isnt a lawnmower"?

so, buy following your logic to a natural conclusion, when the defender ends, so will offroading, and so will the need for forums discussing offroading and selling parts for offroading.

bet thatll please the new owners no end......


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just looked at the stats at the bottom.

In total there are 10 users online :: 1 Registered, 1 Hidden and 8 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ]
Most users ever online was 1720 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:09 am
Registered Users: HIM

thats on a forum with a broad coverage of topics/ vehicles.


look at this one

48 users active in the past 15 minutes (14 members, 1 of whom is invisible, and 32 guests).
Google, Bing, 16csvt, BassAddict, bertle, cal1962, den169, dickjotec, essexgary, gedsjeep, jimllshiftit, jondanbob, Kamaangir, Soupstone, spock

thats on a very specialist alt fuels site.


move along, all is well........


these are not the topics you are looking for........


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