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1994 RRC Caliper Bolts

 
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:48 am    Post subject: 1994 RRC Caliper Bolts Reply with quote

Hello
Could someone please advise what type of bolts secure the front callipers? It seems they are either spline or double hex but I'm uncertain. Either way I have no socket that fits so need to purchase one.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dealer only.
A standard 13mm 12 hex socket does the job

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To hold the calliper to the hub?

I thought they were 7/16? When I needed some they were £8 each from a land rover part supplier so I went to a bolt shop and got a hand full + a box of 3" screws and some pz2 bits for £3 Very Happy

I think i've written the size down somewhere, I will go look...


Mines an '89 though, don't know if that makes a difference?

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading the bolt head from the poster. He's asking if it's a spline head. The later bolt has a 12 hex head and is IIRC 10mm X 1.25 mm pitch.

The earlier Ranger Rover has 7/ 16" bolts to hold the calliper on. Those bolts are available from any good fastener supplier. Believe my you can't buy a 10mm bolt and cut it down. I know, I've tried

http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/brake-disc-bolt-10m...c1368-p-4798.html
Are these what you're after ?

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, well, well.
Either Island 4x4 are wrong or I'm wrong.
The bolt size is !", yes TWELVE mm x 1.25..
How do I know ? Well you see I double checked with both a spare bolt and the die nut I use for cleaning the threads of those bolts ?

Hmmmmm ????

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see! I checked mine and your right, its a 7/16 UNF.

Do you have to use that head? Couldn't you just use a normal m12 fine bolt?

The one you've linked on island 4x4 is described as 'to bolt disk to hub'? This must be the one you mean't to link?

http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/caliper-bolt-metric...c3375-p-4711.html

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cynic-al wrote:
I see! I checked mine and your right, its a 7/16 UNF.

Do you have to use that head? Couldn't you just use a normal m12 fine bolt?

The one you've linked on island 4x4 is described as 'to bolt disk to hub'? This must be the one you mean't to link?

http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/caliper-bolt-metric...c3375-p-4711.html


No you can't just use an ordinary bolt.
The head of the bolt is to big to fit the calliper space. Packing out doesn't work either, yep I've tried.

I generally keep four of those bolts in the car. As spares when I'm servicing. Then as a spare when a bolt drops out, as they do.

I clean the thread in the hole by running a tap down the threads.
The bolt I check that the head is perfect before running that down a die.
When fitting I use a thread sealant.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good information, thanks Smile

Could you use a socket cap screw or are they too big too? Either way at 50p a bolt it's probably as well to keep standard Smile

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have thought about an Allen bolt. I just nip to the dealer if I need new bolts
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

16mm socket
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orangev81 wrote:
16mm socket


What for ? Not calliper bolts. That's already discussed and decided on.

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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original question was what size socket for the bolts......comprendi!
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orangev81 wrote:
The original question was what size socket for the bolts......comprendi!

YES THANK YOU 13mm That's THIRTEEN mm TWELVE HEX....
Well all of the 300Tdi Defenders and Discovery's have that size

This is the bolt....http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/brake-disc-bolt-10mm-ftc1368-p-4798.html

They are as the eu want a fine thread. 12mm diameter and 1.25mm pitch

The earlier ones, as discussed earlier are 7/16 UNF.

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND. I think not.

I suggest you read and take in the whole of this thread before you give people the wrong answers. Brakes are not to have the wrong components .

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmgemini wrote:
Orangev81 wrote:
The original question was what size socket for the bolts......comprendi!

YES THANK YOU 13mm That's THIRTEEN mm TWELVE HEX....
Well all of the 300Tdi Defenders and Discovery's have that size

This is the bolt....http://www.island-4x4.co.uk/brake-disc-bolt-10mm-ftc1368-p-4798.html

They are as the eu want a fine thread. 12mm diameter and 1.25mm pitch

The earlier ones, as discussed earlier are 7/16 UNF.

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND. I think not.

I suggest you read and take in the whole of this thread before you give people the wrong answers. Brakes are not to have the wrong components .


Ooh! your a bit shouty!

I am not giving anyone wrong advice about brake components, I am simply advising that the correct socket for a RRC/Disco1 calliper bolt is 16mm not 13mm......either that or the standard 16mm socket I used on the calliper bolts yesterday while changing the swivel housing was lying. Although getting older and needing glasses I am glad to say that I can still read a variety of sizes on sockets across the mm spectrum.....and the one I used yesterday definitely had 16mm stamped on the side of it. Short socket for the top and long for the bottom bolt.

I suggest that you go to anger management classes before engaging people on a forum.......all the best.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't talk to me out the back of your head.
You are not even capable of suggesting the correct socket.

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.
The calliper bolt head for a 300Tdi Defender , Discovery or a Range Rover is 13 mm 12 hex
I WILL REPEAT THAT AGAIN
13 mm THIRTEEN MILLERMETRE

GET IT.
Now go back to the bolt, nut or screw you are telling me is 16 mm and tell me what is on the head.

You see I haven't been at this job very long. I apprenticed in 1954. &UNDERSTAND NINETEEN FIFTY FOUR. UNDERSTAND
Those days every thing was WHITWORTH. Then I had to learn BSF. Then SAE. Then UNIFIED
NO it's metric.

Incidently using any other bolt to hold the callipers on a 300Tdi will be illegal under the present regulations

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GIVING THE WRONG INFORMATION.

The part number of the calliper bolt is SYP 500090

DO YOU UNDERSTAND

I think you need to take a very good long look at what you say.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmgemini wrote:

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.


Oh, what size is the tensioner bolt on the serpentine belt on a 300 tdi.

(sorry I couldn't resist)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmgemini wrote:
Don't talk to me out the back of your head.
You are not even capable of suggesting the correct socket.

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.
The calliper bolt head for a 300Tdi Defender , Discovery or a Range Rover is 13 mm 12 hex
I WILL REPEAT THAT AGAIN
13 mm THIRTEEN MILLERMETRE

GET IT.
Now go back to the bolt, nut or screw you are telling me is 16 mm and tell me what is on the head.

You see I haven't been at this job very long. I apprenticed in 1954. &UNDERSTAND NINETEEN FIFTY FOUR. UNDERSTAND
Those days every thing was WHITWORTH. Then I had to learn BSF. Then SAE. Then UNIFIED
NO it's metric.

Incidently using any other bolt to hold the callipers on a 300Tdi will be illegal under the present regulations

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GIVING THE WRONG INFORMATION.

The part number of the calliper bolt is SYP 500090

DO YOU UNDERSTAND

I think you need to take a very good long look at what you say.


Well that is strange as my 80" trailer (based on a RRC circa 89) my old safari motor (based on a RRC circa 90) and my current Disco1 circa 96 all use a 16mm socket to get the front callipers off. If it pleases you I will grind off the bit on the socket that says "16mm" and tipex on "13mm" if this helps.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orangev81 wrote:
mmgemini wrote:
Don't talk to me out the back of your head.
You are not even capable of suggesting the correct socket.

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.
The calliper bolt head for a 300Tdi Defender , Discovery or a Range Rover is 13 mm 12 hex
I WILL REPEAT THAT AGAIN
13 mm THIRTEEN MILLERMETRE

GET IT.
Now go back to the bolt, nut or screw you are telling me is 16 mm and tell me what is on the head.

You see I haven't been at this job very long. I apprenticed in 1954. &UNDERSTAND NINETEEN FIFTY FOUR. UNDERSTAND
Those days every thing was WHITWORTH. Then I had to learn BSF. Then SAE. Then UNIFIED
NO it's metric.

Incidently using any other bolt to hold the callipers on a 300Tdi will be illegal under the present regulations

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GIVING THE WRONG INFORMATION.

The part number of the calliper bolt is SYP 500090

DO YOU UNDERSTAND

I think you need to take a very good long look at what you say.


Well that is strange as my 80" trailer (based on a RRC circa 89) my old safari motor (based on a RRC circa 90) and my current Disco1 circa 96 all use a 16mm socket to get the front callipers off. If it pleases you I will grind off the bit on the socket that says "16mm" and tipex on "13mm" if this helps.


Oh....and it's spelt millimetre. A Millermetre is what they used to measure the height progress of Windy Miller as he grew up.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absquatulation wrote:
mmgemini wrote:

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.


Oh, what size is the tensioner bolt on the serpentine belt on a 300 tdi.

(sorry I couldn't resist)

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15mm

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orangev81 wrote:
absquatulation wrote:
mmgemini wrote:

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.


Oh, what size is the tensioner bolt on the serpentine belt on a 300 tdi.

(sorry I couldn't resist)

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15mm


Don't ruin a good wind up with the facts..... I guessed OK...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absquatulation wrote:
Orangev81 wrote:
absquatulation wrote:
mmgemini wrote:

NO Land Rover bolt, nut or screw uses a 16mm socket. Think on that.


Oh, what size is the tensioner bolt on the serpentine belt on a 300 tdi.

(sorry I couldn't resist)

Rolling Eyes


15mm


Don't ruin a good wind up with the facts..... I guessed OK...


Sorry........16mm

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or is it 13mm?

The last person whose brakes I fixed knows but he ended up in hospital, but I do know what he whispered to me............
16mm

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Mmgenemi but I made an initial mistake with 16mm but I do not like being shouted at and could not resist. I would never put someone's life at risk by giving dodgy info about brake parts as after all, this was all about the size of a socket.







































14mm

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