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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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whilst withdrawing the right of access to your property does stop TV Licensing (Capita) from visiting your house, it does not mean you have legally opted out of purchasing a TV License. You are still breaking the law if you watch television broadcasts and have not purchased a license, and you are still liable to be fined and/or prosecuted if caught.

It should also be noted that withdrawing the right of access to your property does not mean that TV Licensing cannot investigate you in other ways. TV Licensing officers reserve the right to use detection equipment, magistrate appointed search warrants and other investigative techniques that do not rely on contacting the property occupant. This means following the advice (above) is certainly no guarantee that you will not be prosecuted and/or fined for not owning a TV license when you should.


Ian - this is based on the idea that everyone needs to watch live TV so therefore must have a licence i.e. you must buy a TV licence whether you have a TV or not - let alone watch live TV

Some of us know there is nothing worth watching live at the additional cost of a licence when it can be watched on catchup legally without a licence
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't disagree.

This thread has gone in several directions but I maintain that if you watch live or nearly live TV you should have a licence and if you don't you should have your TV confiscated, simples

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't disagree.

This thread has gone in several directions but I maintain that if you watch live or nearly live TV you should have a licence and if you don't you should have your TV confiscated, simples


Not quite sure what you mean here Ian are you saying NO licence = TV confiscated OR watch live TV with no licence = TV confiscated

If it's the 2nd I'd agree but if it's the first no way - modern TV is far more than than a unit allowing you to receive and view live TV programmes... In fact if it's the first then all computers should be confiscated as well by your reasoning...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is, if you break the law you pay the consequences!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An awful lot of jiggery-pokery , involving a perceived awful lot of effort, to duck out of paying a hundred or whatever quid... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but im not breaking the law.

i havent watched live telly for a few years now.

i have 5 televisions in this house.

3 are networked to this computer so we can watch films

one of them is also connected to my xbox.

i have a sky box connected to one.

one of the others is connected to jakes xbox and the other is in the loft.

the kids watch icarly on the catch up on the sky box.

thats it.

no live tv

so legally i dont need a licence.

but that didnt stop capita peering through my windows, lying to me that if i had a telly i needed a licence and veiled threats that they would come back with a warrant.

yes i know you tube isnt a repository for knowledge, but you can see the lies that capita use.

absquatch, hello mate, hows you been? FMOTL..yeah, i came across that lot when i was researching ROIRA. absolutely batshit crazy mate, but they have good links to real websites.

lets say capita came back with a warrant. what would they find? televisions......

they would then accuse me of watching live broadcasts.

which i dont.

now, where is the onus of proof?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An awful lot of jiggery-pokery , involving a perceived awful lot of effort, to duck out of paying a hundred or whatever quid... Rolling Eyes



Excuse me but - paying a hundred or whatever quid for what exactly?

Let's do some pre-empting here for you...

The money is for a TV licence...

The TV licence is to watch LIVE I repeat LIVE TV

What exactly is broadcast on Live TV that is worth the hundred or whatever quid for a TV licence to watch when invariably that programme may be available later on catchup TV (which is not Live TV)


What if I demanded you pay a hundred or whatever quid to watch constant re-runs of, say Sponge Bob Square Pants How'd you feel about shelling out for that?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My point is, if you break the law you pay the consequences!


Ian are you really saying "I want to make a point but I don't know the legality of my answer"?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catch-up on sky?

I've not done any research into this, so totally prepared to be corrected, but TV licence is required if you watch or record live TV as it is broadcast. I think we're all in agreement there?

You can watch or record any streaming media (netflix, 4OD, BBC iPlayer etc) without a licence. I think we all understand that.

However, having a sky-box connected to your TV for the purpose of watching the catch-up CHANNELS? I highlighted 'channels' as that effectively is a live broadcast that you initiate....isn't it? In which case, fork out the cash Smile

Preparing for the onslaught...... Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh. I see why you think that.

You think we mean catch up channels like dave or something.

Naw.

I go into the sky box menu, select catch up and select the program. It gives me a list of episodes. I click play and watch.

Well I would if I wanted to watch anything on there.

Just like bbc I player mate
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DD I always understood if the TV was "capable" of receiving or recording live TV then a licence was required. So having an aerial or Sky box or the like connected makes it "capable".

Xpajun my original point was
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So the govt are looking at decriminalising non payment of TV License. Whilst I agree, in principal, as it costs us all money to lock these people up I keep hearing the argument that it's not fair to send someone to prison because they can't AFFORD the licence.

IMO if you can't afford the licence then you can't afford to own the TV. How many of these people who "can't afford" a TV licence can afford a Sky subscription?

I have a simple, and in-expensive, solution - if they don't have a licence and refuse to pay, confiscate their TV - simples

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And no. Its not classed as a live broadcast as when the bbc took someone to court their barrister ******** up and now its not covered by the requirement for a licence.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DD I always understood if the TV was "capable" of receiving or recording live TV then a licence was required. So having an aerial or Sky box or the like connected makes it "capable".

Xpajun my original point was
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So the govt are looking at decriminalising non payment of TV License. Whilst I agree, in principal, as it costs us all money to lock these people up I keep hearing the argument that it's not fair to send someone to prison because they can't AFFORD the licence.

IMO if you can't afford the licence then you can't afford to own the TV. How many of these people who "can't afford" a TV licence can afford a Sky subscription?

I have a simple, and in-expensive, solution - if they don't have a licence and refuse to pay, confiscate their TV - simples


the original rule was if you have a television you needed a licence.

The rule was amended with the advent of video recorders to being capable of receiving broadcasts.

With the explosion of media devices and televisions that double up as computer monitors the bbc themselves changed the rules to if you watch live broadcasts.

So. If I dont watch live broadcasts. Why shoud I have a license.

Do you pay road tax for a vehicle that isnt on the road. Or do you sorn it. Same difference
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a TV looking aerial on the roof of the factory at work, we have had the odd visit from the TV license people over the years claiming we should have a license as we have receiving equipment. We've always invited them in, explained that it's not a TV aerial and allowed them to inspect our equipment to prove that it cannot receive. They have in the past thought they'd struck gold when they had seen the selection of 'TVs' around the place but on turning them around they've been disappointed to find that they're monitors not TVs and don't have the tuner part.

If you never intend to to use your TV as a TV why not do the same and buy a monitor? Although I admit they are more expensive but it does away with any hassle.

I don't watch the football but I'm told ITV are streaming live over the net and BBC aren't, must be to do with the license - paying for a worse service!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So. If I dont watch live broadcasts. Why shoud I have a license.

Do you pay road tax for a vehicle that isnt on the road. Or do you sorn it. Same difference


Spot on, but the original question was how to deal with those who watch live TV without a licence.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, now that we all know that you do not NEED a tv licence to own a tv.....

the answer was a few pages ago.

fine them.

but.

remove the ability to investigate from capita and hand it over to the police.

after all, when did we start allowing private companies to uphold the law?


"If you never intend to to use your TV as a TV why not do the same and buy a monitor?"

al, because one is a monitor with tv capability, the others are tv`s with monitor capabilities. (and i picked up three of them for nowt)

because they are cheaper like you said and because im doing nothing wrong.

and i dont get any hassle any more.

but heres a thing.

the licence is for the BBC.

what if you dont watch the bbc?

you still have to pay if you watch some other channel.

thats like being forced to pay to use the M6 toll road every day, but driving the long way round.....

how many would agree to that?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ged,
I wasn't referring to the likes of Dave, but to the on-demand stuff.

I guess it then comes-down to whether the on-demand is streamed through your SKY box connection to the 'net, or through the dish (i.e, broadcast?).

I know it's a loophole, all due to Mark Thomsons rapid settlement with Gov. on the fee rates.



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Ged,
I wasn't referring to the likes of Dave, but to the on-demand stuff.

I guess it then comes-down to whether the on-demand is streamed through your SKY box connection to the 'net, or through the dish (i.e, broadcast?).

I know it's a loophole, all due to Mark Thomsons rapid settlement with Gov. on the fee rates.



As you were..... Wink


dunno how its delivered, and whether its the same via sky box or tinterweb.

but at the end of the day, its the BBC that makes these rules. maybe they realise they are fighting a losing battle. the SPAM scandals wont help them in a referendum on the subject.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thats like being forced to pay to use the M6 toll road every day, but driving the long way round.....

how many would agree to that?


or paying National Insurance and not using the NHS

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It's not just for the NHS, it's for the state pension. And we all know how good that is, and we all know it'll be beneficial to us by the time we retire! Laughing

Shouldn't laugh, because as the population ages, us tax-payers will be forced to cough-up even more to fund those people who rely on the state pension (and, unfortunately, those who DON'T rely on it, which is even more annoying, but not quite as annoying as the people who sponge off the state and still expect free pension).

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but not quite as annoying as the people who sponge off the state and still expect free pension).


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how is that the same?

its called tv LICENCE.

not tv insurance.

one sends people around to your house to accuse you of a crime, without proof and the other entitles you to healthcare that is free at point of need.

one you pay into just in case, and the other you pay because a private company orders you to, whether you use their product or not.

hows that the same?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they're all stealth taxes IMO
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i cant disagree there, but i feel one does more good than the other.

actually one does no good...
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Road Fund Licence .......
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Vehicle Excise Duty .......
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vehicle Excise Duty .......


I sit corrected it ceased to be called RFL in ..... 1936!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no.

If you dont have a car, the dvla wont come round to your house, look through your letterbox, threaten you with court and call you a liar.

Thats my main bugbear.

In the uk you are innocent until proven guilty.

In bbc world you are guilty until they say so. And even then they will still mumble under their breath that you must be guilty.

But then the dvla are getting a bit fresh with their "fines" lately.
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I would say as a driver your guilty until proven innocent, certainly you are as a commercial driver you are what with vosa being self funding.
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Ill bow to your greater knowledge on that one mate
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