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ben_uk
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Xpajun
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| Quote: | | and erosion had widened up to 12 metres as people deviated onto surrounding land with fragile wildlife habitats |
Perhaps they should be banning the ramblers as they seem to be the ones causing the erosion not the 4x4s
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Rossko
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Ah, but nobody is out to prove the ramblers dun it, and use photos, videos etc. to back up their claims.
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GVstu
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:31 am Post subject:
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Surely that article should be entitled "Disappointment for some..." 
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RichardD
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:00 am Post subject:
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| Xpajun wrote: | | Quote: | | and erosion had widened up to 12 metres as people deviated onto surrounding land with fragile wildlife habitats |
Perhaps they should be banning the ramblers as they seem to be the ones causing the erosion not the 4x4s |
I think their point is that if the track did not have "vehicle deep ruts" then the ramblers would not "deviate" from the route.
It's almost complete nonsense but there we go!
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( Gray )
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:12 am Post subject:
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| RichardD wrote: | | Xpajun wrote: | | Quote: | | and erosion had widened up to 12 metres as people deviated onto surrounding land with fragile wildlife habitats |
Perhaps they should be banning the ramblers as they seem to be the ones causing the erosion not the 4x4s |
I think their point is that if the track did not have "vehicle deep ruts" then the ramblers would not "deviate" from the route.
It's almost complete nonsense but there we go! |
What's driving down there creating vehicle deep ruts to cause Ramblers to deviate by up to 12 metres?
One of those crop-spraying vehicles with tractor tyres on the out-riggers? 
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RichardD
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| peakdistrict.gov.uk wrote: | | Members of the authority’s audit, resources and performance committee took a decision to introduce an experimental ban on vehicles after considering evidence that deep vehicle ruts, mud, water and exposed rocks were deterring walkers, cyclists and horse-riders, and erosion had widened up to 12 metres as people deviated onto surrounding land with fragile wildlife habitats. |
As I suggested, almost complete rubbish.
It sounds to me like an excuse - deep ruts cause walkers to deviate from the route which causes more erosion so more walkers deviate further and so on.
Basically they don't want vehicles but seem not to have presented any evidence to see if the situation has improved after 15 months of no vehicular traffic. Of course not, because they've done nothing to repair the area and make walkers stick to the paths.
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ben_uk
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Chapel Gate was at one point a normal tarmac road, had the council continued to maintain it and not let it fall into disrepair, then the ramblers would never have been able to get it closed in the first place. 
As much as I love green laning I some times wish they had all been tarmacked years ago and then maintained.
I wonder what the ramblers would complain about and campaign to stop if that had happened? 
Im guessing mountain bikers and horse riders.
What is it with some old people who feel they have to campaign and try and stop stuff? 
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Let Luce
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As has been said, the ruts on Chapel gate were caused by washed out tarmac, which meant numpties in 4x4's who couldn't manage to bridge the washed out tarmac sections or drive the steps chose to go off piste and drive up the sides of the lane.
Apparently it's been repaired to "byway standard", who knows what theat means, I didn't go and look when I was out that way on Sunday.
I think the boulders blocking the access should have been moved by now but it seems some folk were too impatient to wait and damahed some fencing trying to get around them.
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Privateer
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| I remeber this route from the early seventies, but to be honest I only saw about a shovel full of tarmac on the steep incline, not been that way for yonks now.
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richarde
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Location: Dronfield, Derbyshire
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: Chapel Gate
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Following the High Court judgement published on Friday 30th November the PDNPA are moving immediately to start the process for considering a permanent TRO on Chapel Gate. The TRF who took the legal action have issued this urgent plea
| Quote: | Dear Drivers and Riders,
We Need to have a voluntary ban on Motor vehicles on Chapel Gate.
You will be aware that we have just won a court case which overturns the ETRO on Chapel Gate.
Chapel Gate is open (for now) but the PDNPA are determined to close it and they will let us do it for them.
The lane is waterlogged and whilst it has been repaired it has not been repaired for use by Motor vehicles only as a bridle way.
They have a meeting on the 25th of January to decide about closing it again. If the lane is damaged by overuse it will be an open and shut case against us.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO FALL INTO THIS TRAP
Please bear with us on this. We are putting together a plan of action that will hopefully secure this and the other lanes for “Managed” use by MPV’s for posterity. A hard task which which may not totally succeed in but could be easily scuppered by a few heavy tracks in Chapel Gate.
Mike Irving
Communications Director TRF |
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ben_uk
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject:
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Looked in very good condition today.
The lane would now be drivable in a standard 4x4 on road tyres. Not today due to the snow and ice, but in normal dry conditions.
All the rock steps and ruts have gone and it is now nice and smooth.
Quite a few gulleys have been dug down the sides of the lane and across it to divert the water off the lane.
Saw a few groups driving up and down it. 
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ben_uk
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Chapel Gate
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| richarde wrote: | Following the High Court judgement published on Friday 30th November the PDNPA are moving immediately to start the process for considering a permanent TRO on Chapel Gate. The TRF who took the legal action have issued this urgent plea
| Quote: | Dear Drivers and Riders,
We Need to have a voluntary ban on Motor vehicles on Chapel Gate.
You will be aware that we have just won a court case which overturns the ETRO on Chapel Gate.
Chapel Gate is open (for now) but the PDNPA are determined to close it and they will let us do it for them.
The lane is waterlogged and whilst it has been repaired it has not been repaired for use by Motor vehicles only as a bridle way.
They have a meeting on the 25th of January to decide about closing it again. If the lane is damaged by overuse it will be an open and shut case against us.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO FALL INTO THIS TRAP
Please bear with us on this. We are putting together a plan of action that will hopefully secure this and the other lanes for “Managed” use by MPV’s for posterity. A hard task which which may not totally succeed in but could be easily scuppered by a few heavy tracks in Chapel Gate.
Mike Irving
Communications Director TRF |
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From what I saw today the lane isnt water logged. There was only one puddle on the whole lane.
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floyd fan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Chapel Gate
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| Quote: | | From what I saw today the lane isnt water logged. There was only one puddle on the whole lane. |
Still, a bit of restraint would be a good thing.
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Privateer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject:
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| Mmmmm. YDNPA all over again.
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Let Luce
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Apparently DCC are having to spend about £30k repairing areas where drivers have trespassed onto the moorland at the top of the lane.
I can understand why people get annoyed at 4x4 drivers when My tax money is having to be spent to repair the damage caused off the right of way.
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richarde
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Location: Dronfield, Derbyshire
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During PDNPA's flawed, so called Experimental Traffic Regulation Order (ETRO) DCC carried out their duty and did extensive repairs to the carriageway.
When the ETRO was ruled out of order in the High Court the route was reopened, but PDNPA immediately launched a new consultation about a TRO to ban motor vehicles.
Meanwhile DCC have implemented another TTRO to carry out some further maintenance work on the Barber Booth end of the route, to deal with water run-off from the hill side. Maintenance work is also required where the route crosses a marshy section at the top of the route.
On Friday 3rd May the PDNPA's Audit, Resources and Performance Committee will be discussing the results of consultation with official consultees which concludes with the recommendation for a total ban on MPVs. There will be several motorists' representatives speaking against this proposal, but they are not likely to influence the decision for it to go to a public consultation.
Members of the public may attend the meeting and may apply in advance to speak to the meeting for up to three minutes. For information about PDNPA's vehicles policy start here http://www.peakdistrict.gov.uk/looking-after/vehicles
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TheHeretic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:33 pm Post subject:
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Maybe if these people didn't limit access to so few routes they wouldn't have these issues.
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