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Toseland Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:30 pm Post subject: "Stationary tank LPG (for homes)" and car LPG
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Same thing? just had a fleeting thought.
theoretically could you use the LPG from your "house" tank if you have one, to fill the car up?
just interested in the differences if any in the actual product and the method of "filling" , ie is a car LPG filling station pump higher pressure etc etc
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dxmedia Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject:
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Yes and the problem is fuel duty.
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Toseland Mud Obsessed
Joined: 25 Oct 2011 Odometer: 3209 Location: cardiff
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject:
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dxmedia wrote: | Yes and the problem is fuel duty. |
yeah figured that would be the case with the duty, was interested if there were different chemical makeups of "gas" for home and vehicular use
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The Smiths Articulating
Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Odometer: 711 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject:
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No difference in gas.
domestic is taken from the top (gas), vehicle is taken from bottom (liquid)
some suppliers will do filling kits but it must be for say an offroad quad (say farmer).
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Wallop Smithy Just got MTs
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Odometer: 211 Location: Shropshire
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:39 pm Post subject:
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Interesting.
So, one could hypothetically speaking install a house tank linked to filling hose and order from a fuel depot???
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ben_uk Just got MTs
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Odometer: 358 Location: Previously shropshire, now Melbourne Australia!
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject:
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About 8 years ago I worked for a builder who had a big gas tank in his garden.
This ran the boiler, fires and hob in his house, and all his vans and pick up trucks which had been converted to LPG.
Not sure if he was paying fuel duty, I suspect not.
But how would VOSA know?
Can/does LPG have chemical tracers?
Can they even do road side tests of LPG?
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Rossko Articulating
Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Odometer: 757
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:26 am Post subject:
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Chances of getting caught are slim, penalties could be painful.
It may only take a miserable neighbour to dob you in.
The supplier (e.g Calor or whoever) could face prosecution too, so they could spot added plumbing to the static tank and complain.
Very often, the tank actually belongs to the supplier and they certainly won't approve of modifications to their equipment.
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RichardD Marshall
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Odometer: 22856 Location: State of Confusion
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject:
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Rossko wrote: | Chances of getting caught are slim, penalties could be painful.
It may only take a miserable neighbour to dob you in.
The supplier (e.g Calor or whoever) could face prosecution too, so they could spot added plumbing to the static tank and complain.
Very often, the tank actually belongs to the supplier and they certainly won't approve of modifications to their equipment. |
The chances of getting caught are high - someone will drop you in it!
Basically there is no legal way of bucking the system asides from making your own biodiesel (and/or using wvo - not sure). Using fuel on the road? pay the duty or face the consequences.
Technically speaking it is relatively straightforward in principle.
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dxmedia Mud Obsessed
Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Odometer: 2185
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject:
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There's also surprisingly little in it on price between buying calor bottles and LPG at the pumps.
You can get LPG transfer pumps from ebay for about a ton, they move a liter per stroke generally.
With regards to the pick up position. If you want to run a diesel on LPG then the gas is needed rather than the liquid (a vaporizer is still a good idea incase liquid is picked up). With a petrol engine the liquid is needed and the vaporizer does the hard work.
I used to have an LPG forklift many moons ago, and that ran on calor bottles. The position of the pickup must be for some reason other the type of engine, constant flow perhaps? Calor gas bottles don't have pickup pipes.
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Steveo121 Gate Opener
Joined: 17 Dec 2012 Odometer: 23 Location: Cheltenham
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject:
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Well me and my boss fit LPG kits for a living so we tend to no a few ppl there's a man who gets his LPG kit serviced with us but he fills up from he house mains gas supply he has tapped into the gas line and fitted a LPG gun so he can fill his car up. The point is if its gas and it can burn it will run ur car if it can be bottled you can yous it
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RichardD Marshall
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Odometer: 22856 Location: State of Confusion
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:42 pm Post subject:
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Surely you meant to add "assuming you pay the fuel duty as appropriate?"
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dxmedia Mud Obsessed
Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Odometer: 2185
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:30 am Post subject:
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As Richard put, no one is arguing if a petrol engine can run on propane. The issue is exactly how illegal it is. Which is very.
Don't mess with the tax man.
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The Smiths Articulating
Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Odometer: 711 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:08 am Post subject:
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dxmedia wrote: |
Don't mess with the tax man. |
x2
they arealot more powerful than the police
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Rossko Articulating
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:54 am Post subject:
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Steveo121 wrote: | ... he fills up from he house mains gas supply he has tapped into the gas line and fitted a LPG gun so he can fill his car up. |
This is all a bit jumbled. Mains gas is methane gas at low pressure, not propane liquid under pressure. Fill an LPG tank with that and it could drive, and you should get about half a mile on a tankful of low pressure vapour.
You can run on mains gas, but the car needs a CNG system, not LPG. Very similar, but a much higher pressure tank etc. You have a special compressor attached the mains gas that putters away overnight to get enough gas into the tank for a journey.
http://www.gasfill.com/
You need to pay road fuel duty on that of course ...
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dxmedia Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject:
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Rossko wrote: | Steveo121 wrote: | ... he fills up from he house mains gas supply he has tapped into the gas line and fitted a LPG gun so he can fill his car up. |
This is all a bit jumbled. Mains gas is methane gas at low pressure, not propane liquid under pressure. Fill an LPG tank with that and it could drive, and you should get about half a mile on a tankful of low pressure vapour.
You can run on mains gas, but the car needs a CNG system, not LPG. Very similar, but a much higher pressure tank etc. You have a special compressor attached the mains gas that putters away overnight to get enough gas into the tank for a journey.
http://www.gasfill.com/
You need to pay road fuel duty on that of course ... |
Depends if the houses main gas supply is from an LPG tank in the garden.
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Rossko Articulating
Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Odometer: 757
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:02 am Post subject:
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Ah, some local definition of 'mains supply' then.
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