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"Stationary tank LPG (for homes)" and car LPG

 
 
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Toseland
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: "Stationary tank LPG (for homes)" and car LPG Reply with quote

Same thing? just had a fleeting thought.

theoretically could you use the LPG from your "house" tank if you have one, to fill the car up?


just interested in the differences if any in the actual product and the method of "filling" , ie is a car LPG filling station pump higher pressure etc etc

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and the problem is fuel duty.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:
Yes and the problem is fuel duty.


yeah figured that would be the case with the duty, was interested if there were different chemical makeups of "gas" for home and vehicular use

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No difference in gas.

domestic is taken from the top (gas), vehicle is taken from bottom (liquid)

some suppliers will do filling kits but it must be for say an offroad quad (say farmer).

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

So, one could hypothetically speaking install a house tank linked to filling hose and order from a fuel depot???

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 8 years ago I worked for a builder who had a big gas tank in his garden.

This ran the boiler, fires and hob in his house, and all his vans and pick up trucks which had been converted to LPG. Cool

Not sure if he was paying fuel duty, I suspect not. Confused

But how would VOSA know?

Can/does LPG have chemical tracers?

Can they even do road side tests of LPG? Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chances of getting caught are slim, penalties could be painful.
It may only take a miserable neighbour to dob you in.

The supplier (e.g Calor or whoever) could face prosecution too, so they could spot added plumbing to the static tank and complain.
Very often, the tank actually belongs to the supplier and they certainly won't approve of modifications to their equipment.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rossko wrote:
Chances of getting caught are slim, penalties could be painful.
It may only take a miserable neighbour to dob you in.

The supplier (e.g Calor or whoever) could face prosecution too, so they could spot added plumbing to the static tank and complain.
Very often, the tank actually belongs to the supplier and they certainly won't approve of modifications to their equipment.


The chances of getting caught are high - someone will drop you in it!

Basically there is no legal way of bucking the system asides from making your own biodiesel (and/or using wvo - not sure). Using fuel on the road? pay the duty or face the consequences.

Technically speaking it is relatively straightforward in principle.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also surprisingly little in it on price between buying calor bottles and LPG at the pumps.

You can get LPG transfer pumps from ebay for about a ton, they move a liter per stroke generally.

With regards to the pick up position. If you want to run a diesel on LPG then the gas is needed rather than the liquid (a vaporizer is still a good idea incase liquid is picked up). With a petrol engine the liquid is needed and the vaporizer does the hard work.

I used to have an LPG forklift many moons ago, and that ran on calor bottles. The position of the pickup must be for some reason other the type of engine, constant flow perhaps? Calor gas bottles don't have pickup pipes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well me and my boss fit LPG kits for a living so we tend to no a few ppl there's a man who gets his LPG kit serviced with us but he fills up from he house mains gas supply he has tapped into the gas line and fitted a LPG gun so he can fill his car up. The point is if its gas and it can burn it will run ur car if it can be bottled you can yous it
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely you meant to add "assuming you pay the fuel duty as appropriate?" Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Richard put, no one is arguing if a petrol engine can run on propane. The issue is exactly how illegal it is. Which is very.

Don't mess with the tax man.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:

Don't mess with the tax man.


x2

they arealot more powerful than the police

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steveo121 wrote:
... he fills up from he house mains gas supply he has tapped into the gas line and fitted a LPG gun so he can fill his car up.

This is all a bit jumbled. Mains gas is methane gas at low pressure, not propane liquid under pressure. Fill an LPG tank with that and it could drive, and you should get about half a mile on a tankful of low pressure vapour.

You can run on mains gas, but the car needs a CNG system, not LPG. Very similar, but a much higher pressure tank etc. You have a special compressor attached the mains gas that putters away overnight to get enough gas into the tank for a journey.
http://www.gasfill.com/
You need to pay road fuel duty on that of course ...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rossko wrote:
Steveo121 wrote:
... he fills up from he house mains gas supply he has tapped into the gas line and fitted a LPG gun so he can fill his car up.

This is all a bit jumbled. Mains gas is methane gas at low pressure, not propane liquid under pressure. Fill an LPG tank with that and it could drive, and you should get about half a mile on a tankful of low pressure vapour.

You can run on mains gas, but the car needs a CNG system, not LPG. Very similar, but a much higher pressure tank etc. You have a special compressor attached the mains gas that putters away overnight to get enough gas into the tank for a journey.
http://www.gasfill.com/
You need to pay road fuel duty on that of course ...


Depends if the houses main gas supply is from an LPG tank in the garden.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, some local definition of 'mains supply' then.
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