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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: what 4x4s can tow 3500kg? Reply with quote

Hi all does anyone know what 4x4s can tow 3500kg other than land rover defenders and discoverys? I'm looking to spend between 3-4k and not sure what to buy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some BMW X5's, (Porsche Cayenne)
& i think there is a rule that you must sit right up other drivers chuff while driving those.
http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capacity.asp

The best at it probably.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/vs2/oldpdf/05/LV4_95_spec.pdf
Look at some Jeep Grand Cherokees maybe.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For that kind of cash, on road use/family wagon, I'd plump for an older Jap but be very careful which one you buy!

I think the list is not exhaustive

Mitsubishi Shoguns/Pajero - none! max 3300kg, most sub 2700kg
Landcruisers - some!
Jeep Grand Cherokee (only)
VW Toureg - some

After looking up what I thought were obvious choices I've realised that some 'proper' 4x4s have measly towing capacity Shocked

Chalk up another score for LR products! All Defenders, Discos and Rangies have 3500kg capacity (okay some are listed at 3493, and some at 3501!)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isuzu trooper LWB MK2 >
Landcruiser - big ones
Patrol LWB
Ssanyong Rexton (I wouldn't)
Fourtrak!!!
Grand Cherokee WJ onwards
Landrovers (you've mentioned)
Porsche Cayanne
VW Toureg IIRC
Mercedes ML

There's probably a few more.

There's only one on that list I'd tow day in and out at max load with, and that's the Landcruiser 4.2 VX

X5's are rated at about 2 tonne IIRC
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:
Isuzu trooper LWB MK2 >
Landcruiser - big ones
Patrol LWB
Ssanyong Rexton (I wouldn't)
Fourtrak!!!
Grand Cherokee WJ onwards
Landrovers (you've mentioned)
Porsche Cayanne
VW Toureg IIRC
Mercedes ML

There's probably a few more.

There's only one on that list I'd tow day in and out at max load with, and that's the Landcruiser 4.2 VX

X5's are rated at about 2 tonne IIRC


It varies by engine size and fuel type - only SOME of the models above have 3500kg capacity. You have to check very carefully before you buy.

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If towing capacity is top priority I'd still look at older Jap over LR. My 110 is a great tow vehicle so long as you are patient Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but quite a few of those above are all engines across the range.

For sake of argument the 2.8 LWB patrol is 3.5 (used to have one)

The 2.7 ML is also.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:
Yes, but quite a few of those above are all engines across the range.

For sake of argument the 2.8 LWB patrol is 3.5 (used to have one)

The 2.7 ML is also.


Yep.

What amazes me though is how some that I thought would be a shoe-in for 3500kg aren't.

Add in a budget of £4k max and older Jap models become the best bet.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Just in case ..... you can't tow anything like 3500kg if you only a a Cat.B licence. In fact a Cat.B driving a Disco can only pull about 850kg.

Must it be a 4x4? Transit sized vans can pull a lot .... and some of those are 4x4. Do an Ebay search for Volkswagen SYNCRO, thats the 4x4 Transporter, although same name includes some VW cars.

Some Jap grey imports MAY not have any towing allowance at all, depending on what the VIN plate says..

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile Cool
For absent friends lets mention. 'Ssanyong',

ok, so it needs to be a Rexton maybe and its maybe out of budget,
but 'Ssangyong'
3500kg or even 3504 kg

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but 'Ssangyong' 3500kg or even 3504 kg

Hi,

3504kg? That's a strange figure.

3500kg MGW is OK on over-run brakes. But 3501kg MGW will require inter-linked brakes (EG - air brakes). adding about £10,000 to the price of the tow-car. OK, there are cheaper ways, but I'm not aware of any that have Tyre Approval. I believe new trailers now require TA ... it was scheduled for introduction in 2012, but I didn't hear a fanfare of trumpets.

All the big Land Rovers can tow 4000kg, but only if they have inter-linked brakes, so 3500kg MGW is the practical limit.

Its the MCW that is stamped onto the trailer "VIN" plate that counts, not its ALW.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea,
i just took it from the towing information and they are classing it as suitable for towing 'Showman Caravans'.
Given as,
SsangYong Rexton TD290, Kerb Weight 1898 Kg
Towing Capacity 3504Kg/ 7724Lbs
(also RX 320S & RX 320 Auto)

Maybe typos, error or just how it is.
4 Kg would be the difference between my light lunch being carried in the caravan or eaten and in my tummy. Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just took it from the towing information and they are classing it as suitable for towing 'Showman Caravans'.

Hi, I suppose they have enough "bling" to match the caravans. Very Happy

Showmen have special concessions .... I think they are permitted to tow two trailers if one of them is a living van. But I visulise that as being a Heavy Tractor (doubling as a generator) towing a merry-go-round, towing a living van. OK, the merry-go-round probably has air brakes, but I don't know about the caravan. Maybe it doesn't need brakes .... same as a farm trailer. ???

Showmen also have special Planning concessions for their caravans, which they call Winter Quarters, or something like that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all responses,

What i'm actually after is a family runanround that is also capable of towing a braked trailer 3500kg max gross weight, unladen weight 800kg, i will be using the trailer to carry a Discovery which is approx 2200kg. This means the gross weight will be approx 3000kg. Anything capable of towing over 3000kg would be ideal.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive had quite a few big 4x4's and the best tow car imho is a vw touareg 3.0tdi it towed a dream, disco 3 2.7tdi was also good but the vw was better
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On that budget I would have a good look at 80 series land cruisers. Our 4.2 TD auto cost under 4K and is a nice tow car, seats up to 8 adults in reasonable comfort is a very practical vehicle. Notable down sides are the handling of heavy live axles on road (suspect tired suspension bushes) and only 25mpg. Unlike many other vehicles though the mpg is pretty constant. Towing 3.5 tons or 130 km/h with a roof box doesn't hinder it much.

If you don't need to tow the full 3500kg, then I would also look at a lwb Mitsubishi Shoguns, I haven't tried one personally, but know a few people (as in face to face know, not friend of a friend on the internet) who have them and been very positive about them and appear to be better value than the 80 series.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the 100 series. Ifs so more stable than the 80 and can be found for that price.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We tow two horses with a ml and its great.the size and weight really helps keep things under control we have used a few others disco rangey terracan but a 100 sieries land crusier is the only one i found that was better.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leyland-DAF-FA-4X4-DI...sh=item27ca616595

Should handle 3500kgs with out any issues Wink

To be honest the best tow vehicle I know would be a 110. There rated at far higher than 3500 kg (i think they can go right up to 7.5tonne gross train weight but youd have to check) if there tachoed and have air brake aux hook up fitted. It's just UK law that prevents them taking any more with out a properly braked trailer.

What does your drivers licence allow you to tow? Many people get caught out with that one.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

w3526602 wrote:
Hi,



Some Jap grey imports MAY not have any towing allowance at all, depending on what the VIN plate says..

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Jap grey imports have a GTW rather than a GVW and GTW plated - my Pajero has a GTW of 4.9 tonne IIRC so providing the vehicle weight is kept below 1.4 tonne it can tow 3.5 tonne Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waveydave wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leyland-DAF-FA-4X4-DIESEL-10-TON-DROP-SIDE-TRUCK-/170899105173?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item27ca616595

Should handle 3500kgs with out any issues Wink

To be honest the best tow vehicle I know would be a 110. There rated at far higher than 3500 kg (i think they can go right up to 7.5tonne gross train weight but youd have to check) if there tachoed and have air brake aux hook up fitted. It's just UK law that prevents them taking any more with out a properly braked trailer.

What does your drivers licence allow you to tow? Many people get caught out with that one.


I had 110's at work for many years, three of them, and we towed mobile pumps and generators a lot. The generators were specially made for the company I worked for with smaller fuel tanks to keep them within the legal towing limit if they were fueled up. They were a bloody nightmare behind the 110's, my mate tipped one on its side when he braked with mud under the nearside wheels. And we all had horror stories, in the end we refused to tow at the limit.
At the same time I had a LWB Fourtrack Indy, and I towed at the max' a couple of times with that and it was way more stable, the 110's were battleships in a storm, the Indy was stable. It's just a pity the brakes were *****!
But I towed my trialer for years behind the Indy on a 4 wheel Brian James trailer and that was excellent, but nowhere near the max limit.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I never found the 110's to be a good tow vehicle either. The hitch is too far behind the back wheels and there is just too much movement in everything to be stable.
A 3 - 4K Landy would also have a lot of rust in the chassis which seriously weakens them. A Jap chassis can tolerate quite a lot of surface rust without being compromised. 2.1mm of mild steel as used in Landy chassis and rear cross members doesn't have much left to give at max train weight.
Toyotas have a great name and are very stable but the 4.2 lump really is a bit of a plug and even the slightest incline has them on their knees.
Something common rail with lots of boost getting good mpg most of the time but the power when you need it would be the modern take.

I could be wrong since I've been out of the UK for so long but I understand it is what your trailer is plated at which determines what can tow it.
For example it would be illegal to tow a 16 foot Ifor Williams trailer plated at 3.5 tons with a Hilux. I don't know what law or article would be contravened here or if the trailer was old and unplated. This comes from some local farmers being pulled recently by VOSA looking for red diesel. Jap pickups and 3.5 ton trailers being fairly common round here.
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In Wales a couple of years ago the Police were hauling in farmers on the way to a livestock market who were towing large trailers behind pickups, and if they were overloaded they made them finish their journey right there. It was a planned operation and they had rented a field and had the RSPCA on hand to supervise the unloading of animals.
Around here, Telford, the favorite Police pastime is rounding up the pickups towing mini diggers on trailers.
It's something most Police forces are very aware of and are very active in Policing.

I agree about the overhang on 110's, and I also think the high chassis and low drop plate has a negative effect, when they had these 4 wheeled big generators on the back they would see-saw the back of the 110 up and down and lift the rear axle of the 110 under braking, there would be smoke coming off the rear tyres under moderate braking. If you were turning a corner and you had to brake the jacknife was instant. It was no fun at all. And the generators were perfectly balanced, two men could push them about on a flat car park. I towed one on a site with a full laden Transit without any problem, but it would have been illegal on the road.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transit twin wheel pickup is the most stable tow vehicle you can get.
Shame the most any are plated to tow is 3000kgs.

Kia Sorento mk2 can tow 3000kgs too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie_grieve wrote:
A Jap chassis can tolerate quite a lot of surface rust without being compromised. 2.1mm of mild steel as used in Landy chassis and rear cross members doesn't have much left to give at max train weight.


2.1mm!! That seems crazy, my Sportrak chassis must be at least that thick and that can only tow 1500kg. Although that must be largely due to the engine
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tow limits are to do with brake surface area, being able to move off on a steep gradient and a bunch of other stuff I'd like to know too.

2.1mm, sorry, my mistake. The metal used is 14swg which is actually 2.03mm when I checked. The depth and construction is where the strength comes from. It is mild steel, not a carbon steel like others so it also rusts more readily.
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