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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
1999 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: Which 4x4 for my sons' project?
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I've just agreed to buy a small 4x4 for my sons (13&14) to work on a as a project and cut their teeth in the garage / workshop. I had thought an SJ but until I started looking I didn't realise how hard it would be to buy a cheap one.
Really wanting live front axle and leafs to keep things easy for them, so can anyone recommend anything else which I could consider.
I have seen some references to Sportrak/Fourtrak with front leaf springs but can seem to find any parts or a vehicle to confirm this. Landy's are probably too big and expensive.
Thanks in advance, Steve
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ScottieJ Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject:
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You can still pick up Sjs for a few hundred quid, but they usually need loads of welding and as it's a project for the kids it would be a good vehicle to learn on.
how much do you ideally want to spend and where in the country are you?
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject:
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£4-500 would be great, but ideally need something with an MOT so I can get it home. The longer the better cos I'd use it as a second car too.
Then happy to spend a couple more hundred getting it through next MOT and a bit every month modding it.
They want suspension lift, body lift, truggy styling, big wheels, etc, but I'd need to try and keep it road legal.
I'm in Chelmsford, Essex and trying to find something that's not heavily modded already. Originally from Grimsby and still have family there, so will travel.
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RichardD Marshall
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Odometer: 22856 Location: State of Confusion
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject:
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My immediate reaction was SJ but a sportrak or similar would be just as good.
Anything for a few 100 is fine, it's not for on road use so just getting their hands dirty is a start.
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jeepjeep Just got MTs
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Odometer: 101
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject:
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vitara could be a cheap option
Cheap but Possibly too big
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mophead78 Just got MTs
Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Odometer: 212 Location: oxfordshire
1992 Daihatsu Fourtrak
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject:
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older fourtraks 92 and earlier have leaf springs alround! not sure if you would for 4-500, maybe 5-800 though!! most of that age would need some welding doing to so would be good for learning!
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ferguson_tom Gate Opener
Joined: 19 Apr 2012 Odometer: 49 Location: Potton, Beds
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject:
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My brother still has his old vitara sitting in one of our yards, it failed its mot as body needed welding and few other bits and pieces. From what i remeber the chassis is solid and the engine and gearbox are very good. If interested pics are avaliable here:
http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=17149
It has been sitting for a few months now as we havent done anything with it if your interested for the £500 i will deliver it chelmsford for you as well.
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w3526602 Difflock Royalty
Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Odometer: 10758 Location: Glynneath, South Wales
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:14 am Post subject:
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Hi,
Who says a Land Rover is big? A SWB Series has about the same floorpan as an Austin Maestro. OL, they are a bit taller.
Who says Land Rover parts are expensive? A lot of parts are still at 1960s prices. Complete exhaust system complete with gaskets, fasteners, clamps and straps for about £50. Brake master cylinders were about £15 when I last bought one.
Log onto www.series2Club.co.uk, register on the forum. No pressure to join the club, but they woul;d like you too. Lots of friendly, knowledgable advice. Even dirty hand assistance, usually in return for a cup of coffee. The club magazine even has a junior section.
By the time you have sorted tax and insurance, it will probably be cheaper paying to have the truck delivered. ALL Series 2 and 2A Landies are VED exempt, as are a few S3. You can't afford (I assume) a S1. Some S2 (pre-1960) will be MOT exempt from November this year, which might push the price up a bit.
Mind you, the price of complete vehicles is creeping up.
See you there
602
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
1999 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:57 am Post subject:
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mophead78 wrote: | older fourtraks 92 and earlier have leaf springs alround! not sure if you would for 4-500, maybe 5-800 though!! most of that age would need some welding doing to so would be good for learning! |
Thanks mophead78, I'll have a look around and see if I can find anything suitable, at least this will start increase my available choices.
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
1999 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:10 am Post subject:
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ferguson_tom wrote: | My brother still has his old vitara sitting in one of our yards, it failed its mot as body needed welding and few other bits and pieces. From what i remeber the chassis is solid and the engine and gearbox are very good. If interested pics are avaliable here:
http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=17149
It has been sitting for a few months now as we havent done anything with it if your interested for the £500 i will deliver it chelmsford for you as well. |
A Vit certainly could be an option for styling and size, just worried about a more complex front end if the boys want to start messing about with it. I think I'll keep looking for something else for now though, cheers
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
1999 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:40 am Post subject:
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w3526602 wrote: | Hi,
Who says a Land Rover is big? A SWB Series has about the same floorpan as an Austin Maestro. OL, they are a bit taller.
Who says Land Rover parts are expensive? A lot of parts are still at 1960s prices. Complete exhaust system complete with gaskets, fasteners, clamps and straps for about £50. Brake master cylinders were about £15 when I last bought one.
Log onto www.series2Club.co.uk, register on the forum. No pressure to join the club, but they woul;d like you too. Lots of friendly, knowledgable advice. Even dirty hand assistance, usually in return for a cup of coffee. The club magazine even has a junior section.
By the time you have sorted tax and insurance, it will probably be cheaper paying to have the truck delivered. ALL Series 2 and 2A Landies are VED exempt, as are a few S3. You can't afford (I assume) a S1. Some S2 (pre-1960) will be MOT exempt from November this year, which might push the price up a bit.
Mind you, the price of complete vehicles is creeping up.
See you there
602 |
Size for size, I'm comparing to a SWB SJ and the Landy certainly seems longer, wider and taller, not to mention it'll be heavier and I want to boys to be lifting and shifting, not just watching me!
Cost wise, I have certainly not looked at anything that old, mainly because I want them to be able to "see the end" at all times so they don't lose interest. Something with just a little bit of non-essential welding and the odd part that needs changing. This will allow them to 'focus' on bits that they want to do rather than stuff that they have to do.
Personally, I'd love one, I grew up with Grandad running them about his brother's farm and my cousin has three. A full restoration would be a great project for me, but not for the lads. Cheers.
I'll take a look at the forum anyway and keep dreaming...
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vitaraknighty Gate Opener
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Odometer: 2 Location: bradford
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: vitara
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i reacon a vit sjs seem to always need a little bit too much work injection vitara prob a bit of welding to do brake pipes ect cheap as chips to pick up and plenty about
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Lincs niva Gate Opener
Joined: 26 Sep 2012 Odometer: 22 Location: Lincolnshire
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject:
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Lada niva easy to work on and learn from parts are very cheap..
Cheers Gav
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ben_uk Just got MTs
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Odometer: 358 Location: Previously shropshire, now Melbourne Australia!
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:58 am Post subject:
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My vote would be for a vit.
loads around and the parts are cheap. Also relatively easy to work on, and shouldnt need quite as much welding as an older sj.
I wouldnt be put off by the IFS (independent front suspension.
OK its not as simple or easy to work on as leaf springs. But its not rocket science and its the way most 4x4's are going these days.
Also fairly easy to lift, and can be done very cheaply using some of the excellent parts available from:-
http://www.bits4vits.co.uk/store/vitara-/-x90/cat_1.html
This was my build thread for a vit i had a few years ago.
http://www.shropshire-suzuki.co.uk/forum/viewto...;hilit=+black+vit
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jeepjeep Just got MTs
Joined: 29 Dec 2009 Odometer: 101
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject:
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Lincs niva wrote: | Lada niva easy to work on and learn from parts are very cheap..
Cheers Gav |
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
1999 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:06 am Post subject:
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Thanks to everyone for all of the constructive replies.
Top of the shortlist has still got to be an SJ, but now much further up the list is a Vit.
They are both the size I'm looking for and I think I was getting too hung up on the IFS.
Budget's a bit higher for an SJ cos I still think there's more that can be done DIY, rather than with kits, but I'll take the first thing that comes up at the right price.
Cheers, Steve
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minimog Off-Road Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1700
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:36 am Post subject:
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I wouldent rule out the vit the front is very simple and easy to work on its also got the best engine as most sj modders use the vit lump to improve the power and can be had for as little as £200 with mot get them to cut their teeth on the vit then sell it to fund the sj
Sj are good dont get me wrong but to lift the sj your going to have to find a lifted set of leafs the vit you can use standard coils of other cars to gain the lift quickly and cheeply
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:52 am Post subject:
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minimog wrote: | ... use standard coils of other cars ... |
I'd never even though of that, was thinking of spacer kits in turrets. I guess the vit's more DIY than I thought! And it's just moved up the preferences a bit,
thanks
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RichardD Marshall
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Odometer: 22856 Location: State of Confusion
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:29 am Post subject:
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I've heard od people swapping the IFS to live front axle from an SJ as well.
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Let Luce Mud Obsessed
Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Odometer: 4018 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject:
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Series LRovers seem to be going really cheeply at the moment
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mophead78 Just got MTs
Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Odometer: 212 Location: oxfordshire
1992 Daihatsu Fourtrak
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject:
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not sure where you are bt a mate of mine has a older fourtrak for sale, in south oxfordshire PM me if you intrested
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greeley Just got MTs
Joined: 01 Jul 2012 Odometer: 233 Location: lancs
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:56 pm Post subject:
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i have my ford maverick for sale if thats any good to you,its advertised on here.great little 4x4
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noodle247 Articulating
Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Odometer: 594 Location: southampton
1986 Daihatsu Fourtrak
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject:
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Have a good look at the swb leader fourtrak
Small. Solid reliable and cheep. Watch for the rust though.
Lots of scope for mods.
Here's one.
http://bit.ly/XnBR6V
Can be made gnarly.
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540iv8 Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Odometer: 8
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject:
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Well guys, thanks for all the help. Now the proud owner of a '99 soft-top Vit with no previous mods, virtually no rot and a 10 month MOT.
Where to start...
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scrunt Articulating
Joined: 11 Jul 2012 Odometer: 985 Location: Tayside.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject:
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Good choice.
I would go for good strong secure & safe recovery points front and rear,
and then get to a local club and see what it does as standard.
TYROS, or similar.
Then suitable off road tyres if needs be, then learn from safe drivers.
A proper roll cage sooner than later would be high on my list of priorities
george
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