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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: blue smoke on cold start Reply with quote

ok my car is running wvo straight 100% is there any heaters i can use to stop the initial blue smoke. i run a heated fuel filter but that only works once the engine is warm i need some injector heaters or something but dont know where to get them from thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ok my car is running wvo straight 100% is there any heaters i can use to stop the initial blue smoke.


in a word, no.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Block heaters maybe worth a look. Also a glow in the fuel line, many ways of pre heating the fuel and engine.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Block heaters maybe worth a look. Also a glow in the fuel line, many ways of pre heating the fuel and engine.



but the fuel in the injection pump and injector lines will still be cold

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any heater you fit to the fuel line will not and cannot overcome the cold injection pump, cold pipes, injectors and pistons.

A block heater that heats the coolant such as a kenlowe unit would help.

A twin tank conversion would be the ideal solution.

What vehicle/engine?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nathaniel wrote:
Any heater you fit to the fuel line will not and cannot overcome the cold injection pump, cold pipes, injectors and pistons.

A block heater that heats the coolant such as a kenlowe unit would help.

A twin tank conversion would be the ideal solution.

What vehicle/engine?


that reminds me nat, we need to talk to you about twin tanking the Team Chaos Disco. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

parrotveasey81 wrote:
dxmedia wrote:
Block heaters maybe worth a look. Also a glow in the fuel line, many ways of pre heating the fuel and engine.



but the fuel in the injection pump and injector lines will still be cold


No, fit an inline glow plug in the fuel line. This is ten year old solutions to this problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:
parrotveasey81 wrote:
dxmedia wrote:
Block heaters maybe worth a look. Also a glow in the fuel line, many ways of pre heating the fuel and engine.



but the fuel in the injection pump and injector lines will still be cold


No, fit an inline glow plug in the fuel line. This is ten year old solutions to this problem.



Confused but the fuel in the pump and line will still be cold unless you fit one in each injector pipe

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:
parrotveasey81 wrote:
dxmedia wrote:
Block heaters maybe worth a look. Also a glow in the fuel line, many ways of pre heating the fuel and engine.



but the fuel in the injection pump and injector lines will still be cold


No, fit an inline glow plug in the fuel line. This is ten year old solutions to this problem.


total ********.

he is looking to sort the problem on startup so as you have already been told, the block and pistons will be cold and the injector pipes, pump, and pipes from filter to pump will all contain cold oil, which will smoke.

so the ten year old solution didnt work ten years ago either.


simple. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell that to the 1/3 of the world who use these things every winter.

Sorry, once again ged, you appear to be sitting on your elbow.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tell that to the 1/3 of the world who use these things every winter.

Sorry, once again ged, you appear to be sitting on your elbow.



yea the other 2/3's know it dont work Laughing Razz

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dxmedia wrote:
Tell that to the 1/3 of the world who use these things every winter.

Sorry, once again ged, you appear to be sitting on your elbow.


sigh.

im one of them.

i have glow plug heaters fitted.

DO YOU?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

parrotveasey81 wrote:
dxmedia wrote:
Tell that to the 1/3 of the world who use these things every winter.

Sorry, once again ged, you appear to be sitting on your elbow.



yea the other 2/3's know it dont work Laughing Razz


they do, but in their own specific way, and they dont help with smoke on startup.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its GED wrote:
parrotveasey81 wrote:
dxmedia wrote:
Tell that to the 1/3 of the world who use these things every winter.

Sorry, once again ged, you appear to be sitting on your elbow.



yea the other 2/3's know it dont work Laughing Razz


they do, but in their own specific way, and they dont help with smoke on startup.



im with you on that Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its GED wrote:
dxmedia wrote:
Tell that to the 1/3 of the world who use these things every winter.

Sorry, once again ged, you appear to be sitting on your elbow.


sigh.

im one of them.

i have glow plug heaters fitted.

DO YOU?



Do you also have block heaters fitted? Which pre-heat the engine upto just under running temperature? Or are you going to carry on telling people that they don't exist?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a 200tdi disco and to be honest i dont mind the smoke but the wife does lol i am currently trying to source the parts for a twin tank system and i am nearly there so that will solve everything i think but thanks for the replys and soory to cause an argument lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you also have block heaters fitted? Which pre-heat the engine upto just under running temperature?


no, because i dont need them. do you have them fitted?

dxmedia wrote:

Or are you going to carry on telling people that they don't exist?


ok, show me where i said that. oh, you cant.

you could show me where i said they wouldnt cure the smoke, and hey, they wont, but nowhere did i say they dont exist.

nice try sad man. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right guys I'm getting bored running round cleaning up after your petty squabbling. Wind your necks in please.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree .
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree also, thats why.....well the best have gone, to much bitchin going on ove rthe last few years, we all hav eour own ways of doing/thinking things.

does it matter, help the lad out without being in a school play ground hey Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wollys World Smile wrote:
I agree also, thats why.....well the best have gone, to much bitchin going on ove rthe last few years, we all hav eour own ways of doing/thinking things.

does it matter, help the lad out without being in a school play ground hey Rolling Eyes


thats strange, that`s what we were doing. cant you read? there is no heater that will stop the smoke on startup. save your money for the twin tank. hence the original answer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don`t think theres one definitive answer to this , even a warm engine and cold fuel will still smoke on start up .
so its either twin tank it , which i think is a lot of hassle for little ,if any gains , or do what the rest of us do , live with it . its only for a few minutes after all . mine fills the street on cold mornings . do i care ,, hell no , have you tried adding deisel to it try a 50/50 mix and see if it improves if it does and i think it will then try 60/40 veg/deisel mix untill you find the point at when it starts to smoke , then back it off a little . it might not be a cheap to run as using just veg , but this way your both happy . you on veg and the mrs for it not smoking .

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the induction heaters that wrap the HP lines do not ensure a clean cold start.
Indeed they make it better, especially after 15-30 secs of running.

Glowplug heaters such as these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vegetable-Oil-Fuel-Sy...sh=item4167716a14

are a waste of time, money and electricity/fuel.
Yes, they decrease your MPG when switched on...

These are the shizzle
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HEAT-EXCHANGER-biofue...sh=item3cc7f39aa9

I've noticed an MPG increase when running straight Dino with with a heat exchanger fitted, don't know why.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nathaniel wrote:
Even the induction heaters that wrap the HP lines do not ensure a clean cold start.
Indeed they make it better, especially after 15-30 secs of running.

Glowplug heaters such as these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vegetable-Oil-Fuel-Sy...sh=item4167716a14

are a waste of time, money and electricity/fuel.
Yes, they decrease your MPG when switched on...

These are the shizzle
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HEAT-EXCHANGER-biofue...sh=item3cc7f39aa9

I've noticed an MPG increase when running straight Dino with with a heat exchanger fitted, don't know why.

Yes, they decrease your MPG when switched on... Question Question and why is that Question
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about adding a bottle of "FORTE" to the fuel tank to see if it helps. You can find them on www.forteuk.co.uk for information.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tried all them additives.

none of them work with veg to any great extent.

but a bit of petrol works a treat Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, they decrease your MPG when switched on... Question Question and why is that Question


because they put an additional load on the engine - producing electric to heat the glow plug

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The 'FORTE' worked okay on an old Defender TD running on bio so it must have done something right. It is about a tenner a bottle so not too expensive to put a bottle into half a tank or so of fuel, it certainly won't do any harm and might do some good.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

forte works best at high revs ,low speed and all it does is remove any varnish ect from the fuel system .
its best added to a near empty tank for best results .it works quicker as its more concentrated going through the system .
i use this on more or less a dialy basis in customers cars that are slightly over on the emmisions after a service ,iIE all ready had the filters done .

that said , it still won`t stop the smoke on start up .

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The 'FORTE' worked okay on an old Defender TD running on bio so it must have done something right. It is about a tenner a bottle so not too expensive to put a bottle into half a tank or so of fuel, it certainly won't do any harm and might do some good.


theres a huge difference between bio and veg mate. Wink
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