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POW! SLAM! RUB! F73 Suspensiion brakage
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JemAndes
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: POW! SLAM! RUB! F73 Suspensiion brakage Reply with quote

First off, it's still dark out. So, photos will come later. However, I was driving yesterday, when I got to a bad section in the road, it's a 30cm-40cm drop off of asphalt into a hole. I was dropping into the hole slowly when, all of the sudden, I hear (with my wife), a very loud POW!!!! Like an small explosion, and something hitting the floorboard hard. When I get out of the hole, I notice that my front right, you guys driver side/my passenger sided, is sitting on my tyre. Mad

I was on my way important, and it was pooring rain and pitch black. Good thing is, I was only about 5 km from the house. So, I gentelly turned the jeep around and drove it very slowly home. I'm pretty sure that it's something to do with the torsion bar. I just don't know what yet.

From the sound, I think it may be some of the fastening bolts for the Torsion that broke. I can't image my torsion bar broke. When I have more light, I'll take photos and look under the truck. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an ****** Laughing at leased what ever fell off did so while you were going slow and not flat out on the road so one bonus .
Shame your so far away as I`ll be scrapping most of the front end suspension parts off my Indy shortly . Think the post might be a bit dear to send them to you though . If you find its a small ish part let me know and if i have it and its feasible to post you can have it Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like the bolt has snaped that holds the tension on the torsion bars.

and to answer the pm a sportrak one may fit but might be a different grade so might not be as strong

you may get lucky and be able to use one from a surf/forunner,hilux pickup(mk4/5) or shogun

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JemAndes
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nutshot wrote:
What an ****** Laughing at leased what ever fell off did so while you were going slow and not flat out on the road so one bonus .
Shame your so far away as I`ll be scrapping most of the front end suspension parts off my Indy shortly . Think the post might be a bit dear to send them to you though . If you find its a small ish part let me know and if i have it and its feasible to post you can have it Wink


Thanks Nutshot! I really appreciate the offer.

Your right though, at least I wasn't going too fast, and the other thing, is that I was close to home.

As far as needing a part... I found out what I need, and I'm fixing it up now.


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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject:
sounds like the bolt has snaped that holds the tension on the torsion bars.

and to answer the pm a sportrak one may fit but might be a different grade so might not be as strong

you may get lucky and be able to use one from a surf/forunner,hilux pickup(mk4/5) or shogun


Parrot, you were almost right, but not quite. You got the area and that there was a brakeage, but what broke wasn't the bolt, but the tension arm itself.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool
glad your fixing it but dont forget we like pics Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started rebuilding the piece yesterday, but i had to go somewhere and I didn't have time to get photos or finish it. Maybe today I'll be able to finish. I'll let you guys know.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked Shocked
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JemAndes
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me about it! I'm going to work on my tension arm now.
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fourtrak craige
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow made a nice job of that Razz

i see shiny new welding gauntlet there eric, are you gunna get em dirty? lol

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wow made a nice job of that

i see shiny new welding gauntlet there eric, are you gunna get em dirty? lol


Tell me about it Craige... When I do a job, I do it right. Laughing

As far as the gloves go, I'm not so sure that I'll get them dirty. I don't really like welding gloves. I usually go for mechanics gloves and just grit thru the burning flesh. Mad

Quick question for you guys though. Does anyone have a photo of the tension arm that I am repairing off the torsion bar and installed that I can see. I want to see what kind of reinforcement i can put between the 2 verticles with out interfering w/ the bolt travel arc.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I finished... uh... well almost finished the torsion bar tension arm repair. I just forgot to weld a bridge on the top to keep the walls from seperating. Other than that, I just want to paint it black and install it. Then, I'm going to take the other one off and re-inforce it.

Since we all like the photos so much, here are some of todays process.




Just so you guys know, I used a fluxcore mig welder on this. I just can't justify the cost of a real mig at the moment.Rolling Eyes Mig/gax mix is sooo much beter! Mad
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool should last now Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just so you guys know, I used a fluxcore mig welder on this. I just can't justify the cost of a real mig at the moment.Rolling Eyes Mig/gax mix is sooo much beter! Mad


could of done all of that with a nice Arc welder mate Razz

or did i just swear??????? Embarassed

when i use welding gloves i only tend to use the right hand glove. please note i'm a lefty Razz i'm weird i know that Laughing

P.s Eric it looks like a good job mate Smile

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fourtrak craige wrote:
JemAndes wrote:


Just so you guys know, I used a fluxcore mig welder on this. I just can't justify the cost of a real mig at the moment.Rolling Eyes Mig/gax mix is sooo much beter! Mad


could of done all of that with a nice Arc welder mate Razz

or did i just swear??????? Embarassed

when i use welding gloves i only tend to use the right hand glove. please note i'm a lefty Razz i'm weird i know that Laughing

P.s Eric it looks like a good job mate Smile


I think arc is great for certain styles of welding and applications. Mig is just considerably better for finer finishing and getting into tight spots.

Today I did the same thing (gloves wise), but opposite. I'm right handed. And thanks for the complements. I haven't welded in about 8 yrs now.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it looks good and beefy mate plenty of good weld on that... "enough to hold up the pit" as my father'd say...



Nice work! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the best thing i ever weld with an arc welder is steel thats been galvenised. welding that stuff with a mig is a mightmare Evil or Very Mad

note: the galv is cleaned off as much as possible.

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, for now, the tension arm trouble is done with. I have painted it and installed it.

Sorry. I forgot to take a pic of it painted before I installed it. Eventually, when I have the time, I will be pulling the other one off and re-inforcing it too. For now though, I driving my Trak again. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just did this short/simple write up on the tension arm beefing up on Warfs.
http://www.warfs.org/forum/15-mods-projects-a-builds/2833248-strengthening-torsion-bar-tensioner-armsmoderate-to-simple.html#2833248
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice write up Eric .
Heres another potential suspension problem on the older Indy`s thats worth checking if you take the back springs off .

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JemAndes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nutshot wrote:
Nice write up Eric .
Heres another potential suspension problem on the older Indy`s thats worth checking if you take the back springs off .



Yeah, you poor, poor souls there in the UK. All that beautiful snow makes for beautiful ice, and all that ice means salt. Shocked In turn, the salt means... well, exactly what you have there.

Really though, it's not to bad to fix. Here's a rough idea of what I would do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow nutshot that looks bad Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way Nutshot, thanks for the compliment! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye I think its pretty much fooked Laughing

Spent a few hours last Sunday cutting out some new base plates and hammering some 30mm x 3mm thick steel strips into shape to replace the spring locating noggin . Looking like it will work ok when I weld it all up next weekend Very Happy
I`ll add some bracing to the noggin once Ive got it looking something like .
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Aye I think its pretty much fooked Laughing

Spent a few hours last Sunday cutting out some new base plates and hammering some 30mm x 3mm thick steel strips into shape to replace the spring locating noggin . Looking like it will work ok when I weld it all up next weekend Very Happy
I`ll add some bracing to the noggin once Ive got it looking something like .


Cool man, sounds like a winner. As always though, we want the photos.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you got any pics of it nutshot? it'd be nice to see
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havn`t got any pics yet as its just a flat plate and a bent bit of steel strip so far.
I`ll hopefully get them welded up next weekend and then the real work can start getting the axle mounted in place then its full steam ahead hopefully . I`ll take loads of pictures as I go and do a proper thread at some point .
I don`t want to start a build thread yet as its gonna be slow going with working 6 days a week meaning I can`t spend as much time on the build as I would like . I`m doing 99% of the work outside so apart from the rust delays Ive got to work round the weather to get anything done Crying or Very sad
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the weather is just ruddy horrible Sad

ok well i look forward to seeing the thread Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`ll try and get some pics of the new plates up hopefully next weekend if they turn out good Wink but I`ll save most of them for the build thread .
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