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cornish redneck
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: shogun front hub assembly Reply with quote

does anyone have or know anywhere on the net that has schematics of a shogun/ pajero front hub assembly. i was working on the suspension the other day and the hub fell apart and i could see the roller bearing in the back was completely knackered. im guessing there is meant to be a roller cage but this has gone, not a trace of the cage left in the hub but the roller pins were left. or can anyone tell me what its proper name is so i can order one.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from what you have said , it sounds the wheel bearing has fallen to bits.
if my ageing brain is working , they are`nt that hard to do , very much like a landrover. caliper off and then the freewheeling hub, two little screws and then the locking ring .

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is what im confused about, its not the wheel bearing. the wheel bearing is fine, i drove it to mot and back (50 mile round trip). its the bearing that stops the drive shaft from slopping about in the hub. the wheel bearing and hub are one unit (so to speak) the shaft is only held in by the splines and circlip. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

then they must have been left in from a previuse failed bearing. theres nothing else in there. just the inner and outer bearings, i can`t remember if its one piece or not.
what year is it.

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found it ,its a 97
step by step is the closest i can find.


http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=979...11ac51b9cdba05987

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought it might have been that too but on the way back it started vibrating like mad and rumbling, when i got home i had a look and the shaft was proper loose in the hub but bearing was solid Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think we need some pics
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers bud, that helped a bit but im still confused.
what is the silver ring on the shaft on the 15th picture?
im thinking it must be a shaft locator or something.
am i right in thinking there are 3 parts to the front hub assembly; main hub unit, inner hub that disc attatches to, and then the drive shaft that slots in the inner hub.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

parrotveasey81 wrote:
i think we need some pics

i thought that when i was doing it but was in too much of a hurry to get it re tested Rolling Eyes i will pop out now and have a quick look.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a couple pics.



probably wont help but best i can do without stripping the lot down.
with the shaft pushed out slightly you can see where the bearing should be.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got one coming in on monday for a cv boot , if you are not sorted then i`ll have a look and take a few pics of what i find.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers spannerman, im going to pop up motor factors in a bit and see if i can pick their brains Confused hopefully shed some light.
or i will strip down the hub and take some pics if i get time.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good news, ive found what the bearing is called, its an upright needle bearing.
ordered one from milner so hopefully tuesday it should be done.
the remains of the bearing after i had beat it out.

this is where its meant to sit

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a bit to late for me to say that,mine has a bronze/copper bush in the same place.
good luck with milners,i find there parts are cheap and poor quality Crying or Very sad and i have too many parts from them that i need replace most of them

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got the copper/bronze washer there too. think its the thrust washer.
ive never had a problem with milner yet, but time will tell.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it might just be fourtrak stuff Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diahatsu obviously stole the idea from mitsubishi Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, done this a fair few times, bit of a sod of a job, but easier to unbolt bottom ball joint than actually split it I find.

The bearing and thrust washer feel exactly same as the part you get from Mitsi, however the rear oil seal from milners does not seal very well i think (mine is regularly dunked). Last time the bearing went, it had only lasted a few months Confused . The mitsi designed one is much better

Make sure the washer is fitted correct way round, think its grooves facing diff.

Worth checking tuther side, grab cv boot near hub and pull back/forward, up down, there should be very little play if any at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for that andy. its all sorted now, the needle bearing was a genuine mitsi part as it come in mitsi labelled packet from milner, everything seems to fit ok but as ive said, only time will tell. give it a few dunks and a bit of sand and see what happens. was a pig of a job but managed it. the worst job was the bearing in the diff tube, had to be replaced as it was totally shot Rolling Eyes ended up slicing the edge with angle gringer, smashing the bearing to pieces and pulling it out in bits Shocked
feels a million times better now and there is no more metal gringing or clicking noise Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

had to do mine a few times (gets some serious abuse through some silly mud) , if it goes again the bearing number is B2012, give that number to your local bearing specialist place and you can get them for less than a fiver! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers bud. number noted Wink hopefully they should last a while Rolling Eyes
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