Allt-y-Badi LLangollen - probably a silly question

jimny_gary

Ive emailed the ROW office about this lane, seems to have been shut forever, probably due to the grumpy lady at the bottom of the hill. Anyone know whats going on here, is it going to be repaired and reopened? ROW havent replied yet and that was a week ago.

Gary

Jimmy · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject:

Some councils can be really slow getting back to you. Send a reminder.

paul_humphreys · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject:

We did talk about this lane last night at the CRAG meeting.

It is due to open in December, but we do not know if the TRO will be extended or not.

Paul

adgard · Gate Opener Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Odometer: 6

if you look on the wrexham councils web site it gives you info about it on the high ways page did have a little laugh last night when i saw it on there

jimny_gary · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:41 am Post subject:

Have you a link?

Thanks

Gary

Guest · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject:

Won't do any good linking to Wrexham - it's Denbighshire! And check with the Highways Dept, not ROW - it's a road! Very Happy

Regards,

paul_c · Off-Road Guru Joined: 17 May 2009 Odometer: 1378

Denbighshire County Council seems poorly served in terms of useful stuff on their website, for example unlike many other councils they don't list the current TROs in force. After 5 mins searching I did find this, though, see the small box on page 2:

http://www.denbighshire.gov.uk/www/cms/live/content.nsf/lookupattachments/English~DNAP-79JLLX/$File/July%202008.pdf

As I understood things, the council can only impose a temporary TRO for 6 months, and renew it twice, so they'd have had to renew it twice to close the lane for 18 months to allow the works to be carried out, and no matter if completed or not, either re-open it or apply for a permanent TRO, which would need to go through a process of public consultation and then onto a decision. I am guessing they've not applied for the permanent TRO.....???

jimny_gary · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject:

Thats why i asked for a link John, I'd emailed Denbighshire and wanted to see what was on Wrexhams website as i couldnt find it after someone said it was there.

So does this mean that its been temporarily TRO'd for the maximium now and must either reopen or close forever? I trust it'll have to reopen as theres not been any consultation that anyones been aware of.

Cheers
Gary

paul_c · Off-Road Guru Joined: 17 May 2009 Odometer: 1378

More searching (this time on the Denbighshire website) and I found this:

http://www.denbighshire.gov.uk/www/cms/live/content.nsf/lookupattachments/English~DNAP-7UWKMD/$File/WEEKLY%20BULLETIN%2022-11-09.pdf

Note the 2nd to last entry, for Allt-Y-Badi. It suggests the date of closure is 02/06/09 to Dec 09. You might assume this is the 3rd (out of 3) temporary TROs, and with their max length being 6 months, then the road will reopen on 2 Dec 09.

Unlikely to be online, but temporary TROs often include the wording "or until the works are complete, whichever is sooner" so we might assume that Denbighshire CC didn't plan the works so they took a whole 18 months, but went into the 3rd TRO period (possibly due to delaying starting the works?) so it may indeed be open already. That's unless they haven't actually repaired it and they have until 2 Dec as a closure window to fix it before they run out of temporary TRO time!

I've emailed them too, and a google search shows that a handful of bikers have also emailed them. Nobody's detailed a response from them yet though.

Definitely one worth watching this space on.

jimny_gary · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject:

I'd previously emailed Denbighshire ROW and recieved no reply, so as you suggest John its Highways i should have contacted. I have now emailed Highways and asked about the end of the current TRO, what date that is, and any plans for a permanent TRO and consultation.

Gary

jimny_gary · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject:

Thanks Paul, if we all keep at them we might create more fuss than the angry lady at the bottom of the hill lol.

Gary

paul_c · Off-Road Guru Joined: 17 May 2009 Odometer: 1378

jimny_gary · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject:

Maybe i should buy a property next door and open a greenlaners cafe..... LMAO

Gary

Ricardo · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject:

I walked up (unlike the scramblers who went before me , an im a biker too so not anti bike) the other week and the Rock steps (which i assume were the area of 'repair' and they were exactly the same as previously (before the TRO) was the lane below them (didnt go right to the top but to be fair there isnt much above the steps)

So the council had better get moving if they are going to do anything.

R

ne jones · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject:

Are you sure this lane is into its 3rd temporary tro?

Drift · Guest

At best Nathan its in its second, but shouldn't that need to be applied for to?

jimny_gary · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:40 am Post subject:

Denbigshires website suggests that its down for drainage repair with a particular company down to do the repairs, we'll wait and see.

Gary

jimny_gary · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject:

Not sure why ive not come across this before, but heres some history of the lane Allt-Y-Badi. I can see why the poor lady gets frustrated by trucks and Sat Nav, I'm sure there cant be a problem with the more well behaved of us though in our 4x4's, i can imagine that the sound of racing engines and spinning wheels of std 4x4's that arn't really suitable for getting up there could be frustrating.

http://www.fixmystreet.com/report/16044

Gary

Guest · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject:

You've hit the nail on the head, Gary. That's why all the objections arose in the first place. Unfortunately, there's a lot of politics involved in this, and Denbs are doing their best to resolve it. Won't do any harm to remind them that others are interested as well, though.
Regards,

paul_c · Off-Road Guru Joined: 17 May 2009 Odometer: 1378

jimny_gary · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject:

Quite right Paul, i think that once a lane becomes well known it attracts those who should really be at a pay and play site rather than a green lane and either dont know and/or dont care about the problems associated with keeping the lanes open - they'd drive or ride them anyway as is seen at Allt-Y-Badi with trail bikers still using it - i presume theyre not members of the TRF.

Gary

Ricardo · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject:

The lane is a public road and my opinion is that you should expect vehicular noise if you live next to a road ( i have to) , however i was watching my lad play football on the fields at the foot of the Badi the other week and i can say tha there was a sustained amount of scrabler bike traffic up that lane. Now this is surely fuelling the fire and strengthening any argumants being made by the residents. Like i said earlier i have a bike so this annoys me even more.

Its a very useful lane for me as i use it to get home from the Ceriog Valley. (Always done it down hill to avoid further disruption)

R Cool

paul_c · Off-Road Guru Joined: 17 May 2009 Odometer: 1378

jimny_gary · Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:

Just had reply from Highways:
Dear Mr Wrench,

I can confirm that Allt y Badi is currently officially closed to enable safety work to be carried out to the unsurfaced highway, the closure will expire on 2nd December 2009. There are further drainage works planned for the lane but a date has not yet been confirmed for this.

Regards

jimny_gary · Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject:

I replied asking wether the signs would be removed for the 2nd:

'Yes, the signs will be removed and a new closure will be set up for the future works if required. '

So, whos up for driving Allt- Y-Badi after 2nd then?

Gary

paul_humphreys · Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:

Well I have the day off!

jimny_gary · Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:21 am Post subject:

Correct me if I'm wrong Paul but you seem to be of rather a lot !
Unfortunatley i have to work and I'm off to JP's at the weekend after so cant have another pass out from the wife. I bet it'll be closed by the time i get there again !
I'll shout If I'm anywhere near soon.

Gary

paul_humphreys · Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:22 am Post subject:

Well Gary, I work 4 on 2 off. So the "weekends" come around very quick for me. But on the other hand I have done 60 hours in the last 4 days!!!

The only problem for me is that my "weekend" falls in the middle of the week most of the time. But then again there are less ramblers about on week days Very Happy

.

Paul

jimny_gary · Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject:

Hence volunteers need for repairs usually falls when I'm at work then!

Gary

paul_humphreys · Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:41 am Post subject:

Well was up there today :p It is now Freelander frendley, even going up.

Paul