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sj_dan
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: 410 engine upgrade Reply with quote

i have a jap SJ410... i have a sammy engine and box in the garage its running on a an SU carb
shall i fit the sammy engine an box??
Get a vitara engine? will it go onto the sammy box an is it about as much work the do the vit conversion as it is the sammy conversion?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do the 1.6 conversion
with the 413 box

you will need a conversion plate

theres no point in putting in the 1.3
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so i need a conversion plate... i have a carb adaptor so i could convert it to carb i imagine and wouldnt need the ECU? an could i use the electronic ignition out of the sammy(the dizzie) onto my origional coil?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what problems will i come across too??? an where can i get a box adaptor from??
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would just look for a carb'd vit engine as the ignition system will wire straight into the 410 loom (have a look in the stickies for my write up) I think you'll need a vit/sammy ignition coil though as the 410 one is different, you might be able to use it though? Is the su on the 1.3 lump you have? If so use that on the 1.6 just change the spring and needle (also a write up by nigel head in the stickies covering this)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

google muddyzook they sell conversion plates for a good price!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi scottie. the SU is on the 970cc... but i have a conversion plate for the 1300 on the the engine and there is a vit in the local scrappy with a coil on it so thats that problem sorted and it has a deent radiator in it too so i persume ill need that too
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah in that case you wont be able to use the su as it will be a hif38, you need a hif44 for a 1.6

And yeah you'll need a bigger rad, some people use a sammy rad but IMO you should fit a vit rad, there's another write up in the stickies on how to fit a vit rad into an sj.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a 1" 1/2 SU so i dunno but i could always sell it an get another an i think the rad an that will be easy as long as im not gonna get extra hose connections or owt haha. im runnon 410 axles at the min does any1 reckon ill eat CV's an shaft every time it leaves the garage?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm still running 410 axles with a 1.6, 4:1 low box and 33s, only destroyed one cv joint so far and that was during a punch event when i was giving it some beans and lifted a rear wheel. all the power went to that front wheel and bang Laughing i'm planning on fitting sammy axles soon for a bit of extra strength.

Oh and thats a hif38, A hif44 is 1 3/4"
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well im off to the scrappy tomorrow theres a vit in there ill find out if she runs it has a coil an dizzy so i persume itll be a 8v an if it does ill start gatherin bits how did you go on with the downpipe from the exhaust?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used the vit manifold and downpipes then made the rest of the exhaust from scratch, its 2" from the down pipe back, using vw silencer (poss from a mk2 gti??????) and a cherry bomb tail pipe, have a look at my build in the custom builds section and there should be some pics!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.6 engine, 1.3 gearbox hif 44 carb, and dnt need a adapter plate just drill 2 holes and away to go
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

right iv decided im off for the vit enginge so i have a sammy engine for sale an shortly will have 2 410 gearbox's an 2 410 engines so if any1 has an 8v vit engine in yorkshire area for the right money im up for it
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is the engine i n eed then??? the 1.6 8v carbed?
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