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rocutts
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 Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: How to lock a front diff
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Im going to lock my front diff as i have free wheeling hubs so i can turn them off.
im doing this on the cheap so im going to weld them.
Any advice on doing this , like taking the diff out etc
Thanx in advance
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject:
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never herd of welding the front diff up 
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Joelypops
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject:
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I'm not sure what your trying to achieve here, are you going to weld the actual diff or the hubs???
the hubs don't need to be welded - ever. just leave them in the lock position, most models came with fixed hubs standard, which are basically permanently in the lock position anyway..
Joel.
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Diesel Destroyer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject:
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personally...
I wouldnt..
Free wheeling hubs or not.. off road.. when they are locked you will have almost no steering..
Do you have power steering?? if not it will be very hard to turn..
You'll spend your entire time getting in and out to lock/unlock the hubs..
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Go **** a blender
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject:
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| durdzz wrote: | | never herd of welding the front diff up |
trialers have been doing it for yeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrs
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject:
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i know from been on the farm when you have diff on the tractor and try n turn you jut go forward and thats with full lock, well forward, you go the way you want to but your turning circle is about a mile.
as the two ppl above say
i wouldnt
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject:
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| Bait runner wrote: | | durdzz wrote: | | never herd of welding the front diff up |
trialers have been doing it for yeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrs |
im only young 
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Go **** a blender
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject:
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| durdzz wrote: | | Bait runner wrote: | | durdzz wrote: | | never herd of welding the front diff up |
trialers have been doing it for yeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrs |
im only young |
We know  
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Diesel Destroyer
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rocutts
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject:
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Im only running 205 15s
And i meant im only locking the diffs,what about stuff that has locking diffs from in the car like ARBs ?
my idea was to only lock the front as it is going on the road and i thought with have free wheeling hubs i can turn the front hubs off and it wont snap half shafts when getting on road traction. Is this not the case?
any help is welcomed help ta !
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject:
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| Bait runner wrote: | | durdzz wrote: | | Bait runner wrote: | | durdzz wrote: | | never herd of welding the front diff up |
trialers have been doing it for yeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrs |
im only young |
We know |
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Diesel Destroyer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject:
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Im running front and rear ARBs
When my front is locked.. the steering is near on zero..
So as soon as im unstuck I flick a switch.. diff unlocks.. and bingo.. steering again..
Oh and im running unbreakable CVs (DGTuning)
I personally wouldnt do it.. but up to you
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rocutts
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject:
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What do ARBs set you back for a SJ.
Ah well, i thought it was a good idea at least
Any other cheap ideas anyone along the same idea
im SPOA'ing it over the weekend so was going to do it then
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jamietdci
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:46 pm Post subject:
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| Bait runner wrote: | | durdzz wrote: | | never herd of welding the front diff up |
trialers have been doing it for yeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrs |
Yes but most triallers have got fiddles that they can steer it with. dont think this zuk has?
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject:
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| rocutts wrote: | What do ARBs set you back for a SJ.
Ah well, i thought it was a good idea at least
Any other cheap ideas anyone along the same idea
im SPOA'ing it over the weekend so was going to do it then |
do your rear one?
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject:
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| Diesel star Destroyer wrote: | Im running front and rear ARBs
When my front is locked.. the steering is near on zero..
So as soon as im unstuck I flick a switch.. diff unlocks.. and bingo.. steering again..
Oh and im running unbreakable CVs (DGTuning)
I personally wouldnt do it.. but up to you |
what engine have you got n are the arbs in sj axels? what size are the diffs?
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rocutts
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject:
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will locking the back diff not probably kill me on the road, if not going to be a day to day vechile but a green laner
sorry to ask so many questions !
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sainter4x4
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject:
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| why now buy a cheep lock right difflocker for the back will be beter than going in the front and can drive with it on the road
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Ray_Jnr
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject:
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if he does his rear and uses it on the road he will ither break something or kill someone 
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Ricardo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject:
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Think lock rites may be the way to go, about as cheap as you can get ,but still driveable.
Richie 
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rocutts
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject:
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| wheres the best place to get them and how much are they ?
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sainter4x4
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject:
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| rocutts wrote: | will locking the back diff not probably kill me on the road, if not going to be a day to day vechile but a green laner
sorry to ask so many questions ! |
mine came welded up and the lad before used it as an everyday car to go to work n it was fine for him, but with the power i have now im sure its that that makes it pull to the left, i think but its not bad at all really jsut goes round corners like a go cart, but not as stable
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Ricardo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject:
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Think Robs got 'even' harder to get hold of, 'Kevin2306' has just got one direct from the states. Rocky road had them i think.
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rocutts
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject:
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sounds like in cracking the welder out for the diffs then.
How hard are they to take out and put in, any tips
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muddymesser
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject:
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| Ray_jnr wrote: | | if he does his rear and uses it on the road he will ither break something or kill someone |
bit over the top that it will scrub the inner tyre and cause em both to wear faster
rocutts theres a write up in the stickies at the top of the suzuki page
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject:
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| muddymesser wrote: | | Ray_jnr wrote: | | if he does his rear and uses it on the road he will ither break something or kill someone |
bit over the top that it will scrub the inner tyre and cause em both to wear faster
rocutts theres a write up in the stickies at the top of the suzuki page |
it shouldnt be that bad just like driving the quad steady on the corners. to fast = understear or cocking a leg up
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muddymesser
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject:
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if anything he might get the back to step out or have a bit of understeer
what do you think they did before the diff was made
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durdzz-suzuki-redtop
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject:
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| muddymesser wrote: | if anything he might get the back to step out or have a bit of understeer
what do you think they did before the diff was made |
sounds more fun to me!
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muddymesser
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject:
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yep
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