keeping constant 4wd ,

[J.D.]

is there any way of keeping 4wd on my daihatsu indipendant, im sick of it braking on me and having to replace the hubs, ive just had 2 new hubs put on and 4wd was working ok till all of a suden it wouldnt ingage 4wd and stuck its self in 2wd on the rear, is there anyway to keep it in 4wd lads as its got me head dun in,, its the model with the stick in the cab to change the 4wd to 2wd, ect ect, lads if there is a way then please let me no ,, it will be much appreciated...

[DD]

are you (were you) using the 4WD all the time? i.e, on normal roads etc?

[muddymesser]

the system that your describing is asking for trouble if your using it on tarmac/hard surfaces

what happens is the front wheel will turn at a diffrent speed to the rears (when turning) and with a transfer box is designed so that the front and rear wheels move at the same speed so with it being used on a hard surface you get transmission wind up and eventualy some thing will have to give either the tyres grip (the reason its for use on loose surfaces) or something else like your hubs

[J.D.]

no, when on roads ect i was using 2wd then when doing some off roading,/greenlaning ect i was switching to 4wd, but it keeps braking and im left hung in 2wd, its a night mare, its definatly going in to 4wd from the gear stick/ selector inside the cab but it doesnt seem to be solecting it at the front wheels, in the hub,, ive noticed that the selector in the hub is plastic, is there a metal 1 i can put in so it stops braking and letting me down, its really doing my nut in and i was just thinking if there was a way to solve this, ie, keep it constant 4wd but now im told something will brake, im wanting to solve this prob so i can go out with confidence, and not get let down by the trustworthy daihatsu or so they say they are,,

[mudplugga]

I've had no problems with mine, and for the last 5 years I've been towing a 2 ton trailer across fields and rough tracks in 4wd, and using low to manoeuvre, even on tarmac.

I know that's not much help when yours is breaking, but I would suspect that you are either giving it too much stick where there is grip and getting transmission wind up - or there is some fault, possibly with the hubs if that's what keeps breaking.

The Aisin hubs are pretty strong, if they are assembled right.

Here's a great link to rebuilding Aisin hubs -

http://www.off-road.com/offroad/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=399668




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[muddymesser]

cant you fit fixed hubs ? so that its permantly locked with no option of unlocking

[J.D.]

thats what i was hoping to be honest mate but dont no if you can, ???
i no there is some ones you can do manually by getting out ya cab and locking them in on the wheels, but mines a p reg,independant and i dont think you can get them hubs for mine,
thanks for the info on re building the hubs, ill have a look at that now,
i no ya saying i might be giving it to much stick but i have bought it to tackle some awsome routes ect... i just want to get the pigging thing sweeeeet,, me nuts dun in with it,, hahahah

[J.D.]

ive just looked at that article on the hubs mate, they are the ones im after but i dont think they will fit mine, i want them manual locking ones were ya lock them in ya sel then when you want 2wd again, out the cab ya get and switch back, simple as that, but ive been told ya carnt get them for the indipendant, mine p reg, i dont no how true this is????? anyone shed some light on the situation..

[Nathaniel]

How many bolts hold the free wheel hub on?

If the driveshaft splines are the same as a leaf sprung fourtrak I think I can solve your problem pretty cheaply.

[J.D.]

theres 6 bolts holding it on m8,

[Nathaniel]

My plan would be (if the splines are the same) to fit Suzuki SJ fixed drive flanges

Would completely get rid of the free wheel hub problem.

OR there is the possibility of fitting some Manual asin free wheel hubs off an SJ.

[J.D.]

ive thought of that my freind but apparently they are diffrent, was told this of a freind who had one..

[mudplugga]

Mine's P reg and has the manual hubs.

The Aisin hubs are actually very standard across a range of vehicles, I think you'll find a lot of Toyota and Nissan might fit.

I might have some spares in my shed as well?

[Nathaniel]

Rightho.

Suzuki SJ Free wheel hubs are held on with 6 bolts

Live axle Fourtrak hubs are held on with 5 bolts

Indipendant Fourtrak hubs are held on with 6 bolts

The splines on the inside of a Suzuki free wheel hub are the same as the ones on a Live axle Daihatsu

So.... The splines on an Indipendant Fourtrak CV are the same as.....?


Oh and if you have deep pocket you CAN buy new manual hubs for the Indy, we did with our L reg indy.

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http://www.milneroffroad.com/categories.asp?cID=9357&p=2

[J.D.]

thats exacly the problem im having, mine is 6 bolts and i no i bought a set of a older daihatsu and when got it back, the drive shaft joint was to big for the 5 studded older version hub , to go on... so was knackered there, i have been to daihatsu and the part i need is £116 plus the vat and its only a bit if plastic,its the part that goes in the free wheeling hub and the part that makes it change from 2wd to 4wd, these sheer and break, hense the price, i am hoping tomorrow will bring me luck, ive found a few with 5 stud but automatic hubs and im hoping when i get them of they will have the same bit of plastic in side, its got a couple of lips on so when ya use the liitle stick inside, it transfers it to 4wd and 2wd....sods law tho it wont be the same.. head absolutly mashedddddd

[J.D.]

will them manual hubs on milners website go straight on to my indipendant??????

[Nathaniel]

[mudplugga]

My P reg has 6 stud, all metal Aisin manual locking locking hubs. ( I've just walked all the way down the garden in driving sleet to check )

And like I said, in 5 years of hard use I've not touched them, so they are out there.

[J.D.]

lads i really appreciate all ya info, im going out in an hour to strip a couple down, to see if they have the little plastic bit inside the freewheeling hub, fingers crossed they do, if not, ill buy my self a set from milners, the manual locking ones... again many thanks and wish me luck, i may well need it..

[J.D.]

lads just a quick 1, are the studs you are counting, the studs on the face/allon key of the hub or the studs behind,the ones that atatch the freewheeling hub to the hub itself...

[Nathaniel]

[Nathaniel]

Oh and just a thought, I remeber in the past somebody who had problems with the Auto FWH's and they opend up the hub, took everything out and then welded in the sliding locking gear in the locked position.

Makes them permanently locked.

[J.D.]

thats exacly what i want to do mate, but someone on here said it will evenually brake something, what do you think, do you have a number mate and ill give you a bell, send me a pm mate, were about are you and do you have some part ect that will help me out, i will have a drive down if ya have, cheers john

[J.D.]

well im now sick as a chip, just drove down to bradford, from newcastle, spent £40 in fuel, and £80 on 2 x freewheeling hubs to get them home, fit them, and ive obviosly put them in wrong and broke them so im now no further forward, appart from a head ache with these hubs , they seem so badly made and very easy broken, for a 4wd mecanism.. sick !"!!!!!!!!!!!!.will the manual ones from millners fit straight on ..., i bought 2 second hand , took them out of a daihatsu and put them in the same way they come out, there was a spring like, metal ring with 2 x notches on, that came out after the freewheeling auto hub,was taken of so i put them 2 x spring like things in the hub b4 replacing the freewheeling auto hubs back in, started her up, drove and no 4wd, im now sick as , what have i dun wrong, is there anyone who no"s how these hubs work as my head is now mashed, think ill have to wait till monday now and buy them manual hubs from millners, im just hoping that these will fit with no problems, just simply fit and away you go, the thing im worrying about is do i have to buy anything else as these have ser clips ect and a few washers, take a look ....http://www.milneroffroad.com/categories.asp?cID=9357&p=2&c=2719
mine is a p reg f78 daihatsu indipendant...
please if anyone no"s what i need , please tell me b4 i waist more money,
chheeeeerrrsss john

[Nathaniel]

Yes John, those ones I linked to on Milners will fit straight on.

The auto hubs are notoriously fickle, I broke one on our Fourtrak Indy by just turning a corner on a concrete yard in 4wd.
They worked perfectly on my leafer but I don't trust them so I swapped them for manual hubs, so glad I did when it snows, you don't have to stop to select 4x4 if you leave them locked.

Give me a ring again if you want matey.

Nat

[parrotveasey81]

[J.D.]

i havnt got the plastic bits anymore mate, im fooooked, sick and head is going to explode, the plastic bits have smashed inside.. so no point buying them of milners then????????? my god, im going to sell the bloooody thing, anyone want a daihatsu,

[scut44]

J.D. sorry about your plight.

You say you are switching to 4WD when doing some Offroading & greenlaning.
Can i ask, how exactly to you engaging 4WD,
Is the vehicle stopped with the wheels straight ahead?
Or can it be done on the move?

I am not familiar with the correct procedure for daihatsu's.
I was hoping others could give the correct way of selecting 4WD,
incase you are not doing it correctly.

Hope you get things sorted.
george

[parrotveasey81]

[J.D.]

george, when solecting 4wd low i stop mate, select and it kicks in, you can select 4wd high when moving, but i do stop for both, wey ive just ordered the manual ones from millners, 165 pound, so hopefully this will be the end of the situation and i can go out ands play and have ne more probs, fingers crossed eh...
and the plastics bits are none existing mate, they smashed in to little pieces inside the freewheeling auto hubs so i dont have them anyway now, this hole suituation has had my head dun in, i dont no how i havnt went out and bought 20 ciggs as ive just packed them at new year, doing well i tell yaz, hhahahah