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Damian
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Vehicle recovery... Reply with quote

I'm fairly certain that I know the answer to this question, but I want your thoughts.

Am I better off with two 'Jate rings' attached to the chassis for snatch recovery, or just one huge NATO hitch attached to the tow bar?

I think the former, what do you guys think?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the NATO hitch is the way to go is it not Confused Question

I thought that JATE rings are for lashing down & the word JATE is a nmnemonic that comes from 'Joint Air Transport Evaluation unit.

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Proper U shaped JATE rings are designed by the Joint Air Transport Establishment which is British Military unit.

It tests and trials ANYTHING that would be put in or under a British military transport aircraft/helicopter.

Jate rings hold land rovers in the back of Hercules and C17 Globemasters when flying all around the world either tactically (low level) and straight and flat.

Also when you see land rovers etc slung under helicopters Jate rings are what are holding them there.

the rings are strong enough, but like mentioned earlier the mounting points need to be as strong.


http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=7656&highlight=joint+air+transport+jate

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You dont say on what vehicle.

In my opinion standard towbars with standard fixing are not for recovery's
Not snatch type recovoreries anyway.
And a NATO hitch makes no difference from a recovery eye,
If the towbar fixing isnt up to the job.
(meant for different forces in a towing action)

Lots depends on the total soundness of the chassis & fixing points etc.

A gentle tow or winch out is different from a fully stuck situation with a 2 tonne plus vehicle.

2 good welded on recovery points at each end,
& a bridle attached to reduce the chance of damage is my prefered option.
george

PS there are plenty of suppliers of JATES for recovery,
rather than the original tie down JATES.
A generic term now really.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say after market jate rings.....



Or if ye have a steering guard there are wide ones available



But as said above, make sure the chassis is sound....




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DD
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmm, however a NATO hitch is held on to the X-member with 4 x HT bolts, with spreader plates front and back.

JATE rings 1 bolt each, through an area of the chassis with zero reinforcement.

Also, I think I'd prefer to be recovered with the D-type forged? JATE rings rather than the 3-piece welded ones.....

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DD wrote:
hmmmm, however a NATO hitch is held on to the X-member with 4 x HT bolts, with spreader plates front and back.

JATE rings 1 bolt each, through an area of the chassis with zero reinforcement.

Also, I think I'd prefer to be recovered with the D-type forged? JATE rings rather than the 3-piece welded ones.....


What do you use DD????




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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NATO on the back, and 2 x 5t shackles on the front
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DD wrote:
NATO on the back, and 2 x 5t shackles on the front


Whats the shackles attached to??



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heavy-duty bumper rings attached by 6 x HT bolts through a reinforced dumb-irons on chassis...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hiya
are bits4vits recovery bars any good?? Think
cos sammies are only 1tonne, so wot stength are they? dont need to be very strong for pulling out such a lightweight.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marky mark wrote:
hiya
are bits4vits recovery bars any good?? Think
cos sammies are only 1tonne, so wot stength are they? dont need to be very strong for pulling out such a lightweight.


He's a trader on here, give him a shout or PM him......

His gear comes well recommmended....





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh i noticed he was around last night, with a weird name Razz (no offence),

I bought some of his leaf bushes on friday afternoon (about 3 or 4pm), and they were deliveried saturday! awesome delivery time that. Applause cheers Dave. just gota fit em now (somehow....)

ive got alot of free time this week so this basicly my todo list:

(P38 and ali mesh is to try and save the standard front wheel arches from the rusty "greenmile"



but anyway was just wondering if the recovery bar was upto the job?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His gear is well up to job........





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick update, I'm about to remove the standard tow ball off the Disco and fit this Dixon Bate hitch that I've had for years. It'll do for recovery and towing the 'van.

It just needs a lick of paint and some new bolts!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

We are in the early stages of planning a trip to Africa and are working on our equipment budget.

After many hours of searching the internet we are struggling to find anyone nearby that could supply the equipment we need.
We are looking for a specialist company somewhere in Wales who could supply/fit the equipment, ie., winch, compressor, under vehicle protection and suspension etc. Does anyone know of such a company, don't really want to add to the budget by having to travel to far away places like England to get equipment fitted, In a nutshell looking for a company like matt savage or Nene overland and the likes. Any ideas Thanks...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damian wrote:
A quick update, I'm about to remove the standard tow ball off the Disco and fit this Dixon Bate hitch that I've had for years. It'll do for recovery and towing the 'van.

It just needs a lick of paint and some new bolts!


Bolt holes are different from standard 2 bolt towball though....

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spence.smith wrote:
Hi all,

We are in the early stages of planning a trip to Africa and are working on our equipment budget.

After many hours of searching the internet we are struggling to find anyone nearby that could supply the equipment we need.
We are looking for a specialist company somewhere in Wales who could supply/fit the equipment, ie., winch, compressor, under vehicle protection and suspension etc. Does anyone know of such a company, don't really want to add to the budget by having to travel to far away places like England to get equipment fitted, In a nutshell looking for a company like matt savage or Nene overland and the likes. Any ideas Thanks...


Hi, I'd start a new thread if I were you. You've popped this on the end of a 'vehicle recovery' thread. If it were me, I'd probably start a new post, in this section, headed something like 'is there a decent vehicle prep company in Wales?..' or similar. You might get a better response. All the best and good luck with Africa.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trailer guy wrote:
... Bolt holes are different from standard 2 bolt towball though....


Ummm, no. It fitted straight on.

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