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DieselVeg's own Disco gone Bang?

 
 
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cieranc
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: DieselVeg's own Disco gone Bang? Reply with quote

Heard along the grapevine, err.... the AA, that DieselVeg's own Disco has gome bang, low oil pressure, bottom end knocking.

Anyone got any info?

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Bala Boater
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see how this could be realavent to running on veg, all engines wear out...
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cieranc
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be very relevent depending on what caused it.
Bore wash caused by poor injection could cause oil contamination and premature wear.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly sure he was twin tanked - so unless he wasn't pruging properly something else has gone badly wrong.....

unless it was the one he was messing with glowpug heaters on?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boring !!!!!!!!!

mine broke a crappy pattern part fuel lift pump on 100% veg

my own fault.


biofuels are bad they will wreck your engine, must have been too much acid it in.. Evil or Very Mad


for the last time lack of maintenance kills em, 6K oil changes and proper starts and flush downs... even DV know this!

still keep spreading this tripe, more oil left over for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence wrote:
Boring !!!!!!!!!
mine broke a crappy pattern part fuel lift pump on 100% veg
my own fault.

biofuels are bad they will wreck your engine, must have been too much acid it in.. Evil or Very Mad

for the last time lack of maintenance kills em, 6K oil changes and proper starts and flush downs... even DV know this!
still keep spreading this tripe, more oil left over for me.


Sorry Terence, have I offended you by asking if anyone knew the cause of their breakdown?

And spreading tripe? I asked a question, that's all.
The question was, does anyone know what caused the breakdown?
How come you go straight on the defensive?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because if you didnt think the fuel was the source of their problems,

why then did you put the thread in the alternative fuels section.


its obvious you think the veggy killed it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many peeps think they can wack in new veg oil into there 4x4`s and think the engine will be happy running on it forever,yes the engine will run but acid levels and removal of the glycerine all needs to be done properly and the end result barly looks like the start product Shocked
There is a few peeps on here that are well clued up on the process Very Happy always worth asking if you dont know the answer Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harry69koi wrote:
Too many peeps think they can wack in new veg oil into there 4x4`s and think the engine will be happy running on it forever,yes the engine will run but acid levels and removal of the glycerine all needs to be done properly and the end result barly looks like the start product Shocked



Is that right?

Always the acid levels isn't it.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was he using approved Biodiesel to EN 14214 or some crappy used veg oil run through a sieve?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_c wrote:
Was he using approved Biodiesel to EN 14214 or some crappy used veg oil run through a sieve?


Keep it up. There will be more WVO for me to filter to 1 micron, preheat and run my engine on. That is until Luton Borough Council start collecting it in the local area, to run their diesel electric generator on at the recycling centre.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul C if you can produce 14214 quality fuel , as homebrew , you go..

even if you do how would you know?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I'm saying is, you can't lump all biodiesels or alternatives to 'dino-diesel' into the same basket. Some people, and some DIY-use kit out there is really good and produces/refines WVO to a good enough quality to provide trouble-free motoring. Some engines tolerate out-of-spec fuel well. Other combinations, given the OP's post, don't.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_c wrote:
All I'm saying is, you can't lump all biodiesels or alternatives to 'dino-diesel' into the same basket. Some people, and some DIY-use kit out there is really good and produces/refines WVO to a good enough quality to provide trouble-free motoring. Some engines tolerate out-of-spec fuel well. Other combinations, given the OP's post, don't.


One reason i love the jeep vm diesel engine,im sure it would run on fresh air given half the chance Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_c wrote:
All I'm saying is, you can't lump all biodiesels or alternatives to 'dino-diesel' into the same basket. Some people, and some DIY-use kit out there is really good and produces/refines WVO to a good enough quality to provide trouble-free motoring. Some engines tolerate out-of-spec fuel well. Other combinations, given the OP's post, don't.


Stick with what you know,

WVO isnt Biodiesel

Dieselveg's wagon runs on wvo. and has been twin tanked for the purpose.

Biodiesel is a direct replacement for Derv

Running blended wvo in any diesel lump is potentially damaging.

some motors are more than capable and others arent.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terence, please read my question again, in the first post. Which bit is the tripe?

terence wrote:
Because if you didnt think the fuel was the source of their problems,
why then did you put the thread in the alternative fuels section.
its obvious you think the veggy killed it.


I didn't think it was the source of their problems. I didn't know, and I wanted to know, which is why I asked.

I was asking a question about the failure of an engine known to run on veg oil. Of all the sections on this forum, in which would you have put this queston?

If I believed it was the veg oil that killed their engine, I would stop using it myself. My understanding is that the acids referred to are found in waste VO, absorbed into the oil from the food being cooked. I understand new veg oil does not have this level of acid content. For that reason (as I use new oil) this does not concern me.

Not that it would concern me anyway, as it is completely unrelated to the question I asked.

Do you know what caused their engine to expire in such a spectacular fashion?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vegetable oil is a fatty acid

a fatty triglyceride molecule to be exact....

there is a whole tide of speculation and misinformation which we try to dispel, its tiresome.

for all we know dieselvegs wagon might have had two flat tyres

this however is what narcs me , you asked a question , which reads like a veiled accusation. placed in the alt fuels section its easy to read into it, the direction its travelling

ring diesel veg and ask them, then report back to us.

try spending a larger than normal period trying to reassure people that their trucks are fine on this fuel , then your post casts doubt. now can you see why IM ABRUPT.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it supprises me just how often people make up thier mind about a problem once they find out the vehicle uses veg, this applies to mechanics as well, im a relative new user of this fuel in a fly by wire L200, prior to that i used it in a fourtrak, and durring that time and also prior to the fourtrak i used it in a 1.7 astra, though in them i was mixing it with dino - mainly summer use, all flew through thier diesel tests, 50k on the astra no problems unless you call some idiot hitting was related, around 20k on the fourtrak, a lot of it off road, smashed rear prop, one auto hub destroyed and a pair front shocks, dont think i can blame veg for that, the L200 does not like wvo but i have run 300 ltrs through her, mainly runs on svo and twin tanked, leaking steering box i had to replace, problems with the emu coming on and she was going in limp mode, traced down to an oil covered sensor on the inlet manifold, then again the intercooler had some in as well, not happened since cleaned, though a few recomended diesel specialists soon as they saw it was running svo said it would blow the motor up within 1000 miles and veg was the reason why i was having the problem and refused to check further unless i had it running on dino

in some ways i am only to happy to see all the doom n gloom merchants spouting because it means less people are using the stuff and that keeps the prices down for me and also leaves the other guys who filter wvo with supplies to run on, the govenment does not see us as a threat and hit us with duty unless we go over the magic 2500ltrs, though im under no illusions that if a majority of diesels suddenly started running on veg of any kind that the govenment would tax it to the same degree as dino, cutting the head off our golden goose

i do know one real downside with me using veg - when i get down to 100ltrs i get into panic mode
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick note been running shogun sport for 20.000 miles on biodiesel with no problems previously ran svo system with no problems
CAV PUMPS dont like svo and biodiesl can shxg them if all the methanol and caustic is not removed and for a bmw set up dont bother its guff

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