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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: water cans Reply with quote

I have just acquired a couple of black plastic MoD water cans and was wondering the best way to disinfect/clean them. Also what is the best way to store them when not in use i.e. lids on or off, full or empty.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i found the best way to clean out my water bottles is to use the same stuff you`d use on a baby`s bottle ,, those sterilizing tablets . 6 in each and give them a good shake and then leave to stand over night , give them a good rinse out and store with the tops on.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

we'll be covering this subject in the next magazine. Black plastic containers are perfect for water, never be tempted to use jerry cans or white/transparent containers.

As for cleaning you can use milton which is a safe disinfectant they use for baby bottles etc, or you can use chlorine in some water and swish it around a bit. Or if its just for cleaning put some baking soda in water and swish that around. If you don't happen to have baking soda you can use dishwasher tablets which are obviously safe to use for eating/drinking utensils.

Store them with the lids ON. The only way to stop mould forming is to keep light out, mould and other nasties can't grow without light, which is why you should always use black containers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

I had thought about Milton solution, but must admit dishwater tablets sound like a good idea. Many thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 4 Black Plastic NATO Jerry Cans which I guess I have had around 15 or so years or their about. They are far safer than white as said or clear plastic, because of microorganisms. I used a similar product to most or lots of boiling water and well flushed out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, i have recently left the army, we used to clean the black army jerry cans with chlorine tablets, just make sure you wash out thoroughly afterward as you may get a small amount of taste.

We used to store cans empty, with lids on too stop dirt getting inside after cleaning.

Tip - place a small piece of plastic bag under both lids before closing to stop leaking as the cans don't have rubber seals! saves your kit and equipment getting damp!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, i use the milton tablets. pop 6 tablets in and leave for half an hour.
However, a word of warning. Many places are now stocking milton fluid. this does do the same job ( only you use 12 capfull's of fluid ) but be very carefull,when neat, this fluid will bleach anything that it comes into contact with, so keep a damp towel handy, and dont wear expensive clothing when using it. like i did!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can also use bleach .. dilute 1:100 the cheap you can buy from yoru local store and make sure you rinse it thoroughly.

I always rinse with hot water / washing up liquid first to remove any non-ionic debris, then rinse well, before sterilising.

It may be sterile, but no one wants to have a mouthful of anything except water !!....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im bemused by the fact that so many have said not to use transparent water carriers.

UV light is a fantastic bacteriacide


it is taught regularly to survival students and aid agencies as a simple low tech way of cleaning water.

as for closing the water containers, i leave mine open , a dry container conatins no media for the bacteria to grow, whereas an closed one forms condensation.

as for bacteria needing light to grow . nonsense
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

should have added that the military make black and green containers to blend with the kit.

no hocus pocus involved.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want some chlorine, drop me a PM, have loads of the stuff for the swimming pool. Can pop a tiny amount in an enveople for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence bantha fodder wrote:
Im bemused by the fact that so many have said not to use transparent water carriers.

UV light is a fantastic bacteriacide


it is taught regularly to survival students and aid agencies as a simple low tech way of cleaning water.

as for closing the water containers, i leave mine open , a dry container conatins no media for the bacteria to grow, whereas an closed one forms condensation.

as for bacteria needing light to grow . nonsense


Is this thread now going to stop here!!!??? Simon - what about what terrence has just said? He has totally contradicted you. I have no idea who is correct, but seeing as youre going to be doing an article about this very topic are you not now concerned you may be misleading readers.

I suppose those who read the article imagine they are writtin with some authority of research or knowlege?

Lets see a reply to what terrence has said.

Which is is, transparent or black cans??

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought NATO water cans are black to stop Alge growth as they might have to be stored full outside in the sun for a while.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why cant you use white water containers like the type you buy in camping shops etc.
With black containers if they get exposed to sun doesnt black attract heat and therefor give you warm water, if so wouldnt that increase the chances of things growing??

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

algae maybe because it inhibit photosynthesis, but it wont stop bacteria

they are black because they blend with the kit

injection moulded plastic made from recycled materials is cheaper and easier to produce when black in colour.

UV water filters are used on household domestic supplies, if the darkness theory had any merit they would be a waste of time.

As for clear water containers, seems the BS kitemarks on the ones i saw in the chandlers the other week must be magic ones....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clear or translucent containers turn green after a while with algal growth, black ones don't.

I've not researched this but I strongly suspect that the UV from sunlight is not strong enough to function as an effective disinfectant method. If it was why do folk get sick drinking river water, as that's exposed to sunshine all day, and this often occurs in countries with far stronger sunshine than we get in the UK.

I suspect that the clear vs dark plastic choice has more to do with the uv resistance of the material and it's longevity.

I have 4 black ones myself, they worked fantastically for the year long trip down to Cape Town.

Disinfect with a bit of Milton, or cheep own brand equivilent before you use them and leave them with the lids on so they don't get lost.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

people get ill from drinking river water because they arent clever enough not to wash, **** ,and **** in their water supply.

UV doesnt kill cysts and protozoa


the expose to strong sunlight is used in countries with lots of it, and it proves effective

black water containers attract More UV light and solar radiation than clear ones so would degrage quicker if that theory were tested.

a little known fact that a barrel filled with layers of gravel and charcoal, then allowed to stand in sunlight for 4-6 hrs proved 100 % effective in trials

my inner conspiracist believes that the aid agencies dont want the locals learning this because their ceramic water filters and chemicals have value and stand to make their sponsors quite wealthy... Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i forgot

another plus for the transulscent containers is they dont heat up in the sun as quickly.

warm water can harbour legionaires disease and pontiac fever

especially in plastic containers

depends where you are in the world really.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK.

Black stops algae growth - not bacterial

White or clear plastic containers will remove most of the UV rays (not light - that is visible spectrum only) so that in even the sunniest parts of the world it will not have any disinfection property.

Sunlight will not kill alot of bacteria in water - the water itself stops a lot of the UV to start with. It might work in limit parts with small shallow samples. The act of the water getting upto >60C in the back of a car etc will have as much effect as sunlight.

UV water disinfection normal uses 2 uv sources one at around 250nm and the other at 180ish (if memory serves me right). Both of these are delived at greater intensity than in natural solar sourced UV. The UV knackers (scientific term that you know) the DNA of bactria and virus stopping them from reproducing/replication/what ever you want to call it - it does not kill them outright (mostly).

However, it isn't so good against cysts fromers as the coating protects the DNa from the UV - though by tweeting the frequency and delivery ther is some success on Crytpo and Giardia - not really practical for travel though.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence bantha fodder wrote:


a little known fact that a barrel filled with layers of gravel and charcoal, then allowed to stand in sunlight for 4-6 hrs proved 100 % effective in trials



I be suspcious of these claims - the ACTIVATED charcoal may well help. In a barrel filled with gravel and charcoal the bacter etc are going to get very little exposure to UV. THe barrel wall, the gravel and the charcola are going to provide UV shade form the wee beasties.

1 part rough oak aged red wine to 4 parts water works quiet well - the alcohol to a limited extent but hte tannin in the wine works.

Or drink tea - boiled water and loads of tannin. As adviced by me and I should know as I deal with drainage for a living - and work for the council where tea is a compulsory drink.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i wasnt very clear the charcoal filter is the first stage , the filtrate is allowed to stand in lexan tubes in direct sunlight.


another method is simply to bubble oygen through a mtarix on which the bacteria live, to allow nature to do what its does best

then add salt

then add sunlight , then evaporate and condense ...

just as mother earth does

if we didnt fill our atmosphere with junk ,rainwater would be the way forward.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

White or clear plastic containers will remove most of the UV rays (not light - that is visible spectrum only) so that in even the sunniest parts of the world it will not have any disinfection property.

water containers are usually HDPE which is a very simple composition and will allow a signicant amount of a large range of frequencies through it.

lexan allows 10 % which was enough for the water aid trial i was watching with interest.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence bantha fodder wrote:
yes i wasnt very clear the charcoal filter is the first stage , the filtrate is allowed to stand in lexan tubes in direct sunlight.


another method is simply to bubble oygen through a mtarix on which the bacteria live, to allow nature to do what its does best

then add salt

then add sunlight , then evaporate and condense ...

just as mother earth does

if we didnt fill our atmosphere with junk ,rainwater would be the way forward.


Makes more sense.

Bubble oxygen - just like and activated sludge sewage works or BAF/SAF package plant on smaller scale. Plus pure oxygen is pretty toxic to most organisms, for more than a short time.

Why add salt and bubble O2. O2 is very emergy intensive method and require kit.

If you got sunlight jsut go straight for a solar still and evapourate & condense. Simple no moving parts. But does requir lots of intense sunlight.

Rainwater? Depends where you are - anywhere with active volcanoes can be pretty nasty. Lots of sulphuric acid from the SO2 spewed out to start with.

^th floor office in Bradford this pm - can still my head out of the window and look down on the clouds. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed my model was based on the natural cycle from human waste to clean rainwater , the salt was the sea , evaporation then rainfall

PH and temperature are two factors that need further discusion as well

mother earth continually tries to tell us where its safe to live but we humans keep defying her

the sulfuric acid helps dissolve the rocks, releasing minerals, im certain humans werent part of that grand plan.

solar stills are fantastic but arent very efficient or portable , well in a size large enough to be of any practical use.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use clear water container for my caravan water supply. They get locked away in the 'van, stored out of direct sunlight, usually empty (but not dry)with the lids on. They never get disinfected and have been in use for about four years.

Am I going to die? Shocked

I don't want to die. Sad

I don't think I would like it. Crying or Very sad

Please help me.....

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LandyAndy™ wrote:
I use clear water container for my caravan water supply. They get locked away in the 'van, stored out of direct sunlight, usually empty (but not dry)with the lids on. They never get disinfected and have been in use for about four years.

Am I going to die? Shocked

I don't want to die. Sad

I don't think I would like it. Crying or Very sad


can you **** though a keyhole? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence bantha fodder wrote:
LandyAndy™ wrote:
I use clear water container for my caravan water supply. They get locked away in the 'van, stored out of direct sunlight, usually empty (but not dry)with the lids on. They never get disinfected and have been in use for about four years.

Am I going to die? Shocked

I don't want to die. Sad

I don't think I would like it. Crying or Very sad


can you **** though a keyhole? Shocked


Err, never tried.

Could have a go and let you know if you like.

So, am I going to die if I can?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LandyAndy™ wrote:
I use clear water container for my caravan water supply. They get locked away in the 'van, stored out of direct sunlight, usually empty (but not dry)with the lids on. They never get disinfected and have been in use for about four years.

Am I going to die? Shocked

I don't want to die. Sad

I don't think I would like it. Crying or Very sad

Please help me.....


Tough, you will eventually. Shocked

Although it could be that nasty 4x4 of yors killing the planet that does for you. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence bantha fodder wrote:

my inner conspiracist believes that the aid agencies dont want the locals learning this because their ceramic water filters and chemicals have value and stand to make their sponsors quite wealthy... Shocked


Fair point well made, they have to pay for their brand new Land Cruisers some how don't they. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terence bantha fodder wrote:
ed my model was based on the natural cycle from human waste to clean rainwater , the salt was the sea , evaporation then rainfall

PH and temperature are two factors that need further discusion as well



along with dilution factors, turbidity and COD & BOB.

Facinating stuff.

As for small scale rural sewage treatment - reedbeds are great. However, they are very labour intensive to maintain.

And them sludge to land (as long as not from a heavily industralised source) - used to to that for a living.

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