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w3526602 Difflock Royalty
Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Odometer: 10758 Location: Glynneath, South Wales
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:16 pm Post subject: How old is my SANKEY?
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Hi,
My Sankey originaly had a 6ft x 4ft tub, without a tailgate (I understand this allows it to float....and fill up withy rain water and go rusty). It had the chassis number 1530, and was made by Rootes Pressings in Scotland.
I'd like to know when it was made, or even when was the last date that it was likely to have been made.
Why? Because it now uses magnetc rear lamps, stop, tail and indicator. I have increased the body width to 1500mm, which was a mistake as trailers over 1300mm wide must have a rear fog lamp ........ but surely that doesn't apply to a trailer manufactured before that law came in?
My understanding is that if the tow car is old enough to be exempt from a rear fog lamp, then the trailer fog lamp need not work. If an old car is exempt, why not an old trailer.
602
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bigt Just got MTs
Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Odometer: 179 Location: devon
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:
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Not sure if this helps...Rootes Pressings was the `new` name for Pressed Steel Fisher....`born` around 1967. Linwood closed in 1981
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w3526602 Difflock Royalty
Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Odometer: 10758 Location: Glynneath, South Wales
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:46 am Post subject:
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Hi BigT,
Thanks for that.
I think you are saying that Rootes Pressings was in existance from 1967 to 1981? Yep, that helps a bit, but not totally.
According to this mornings research (pre-6AM).......my 1990 edition of the Indespension Trailer catalogue says that "Trailers manufactured on or after 1st October 1979, and first used after on or after 1st April 1980, must be fitted with at least one, but not more than two rear fag lamps". The 1994 edition makes no reference to the dates, just says trailers over 1300mm wide MUST have rear fog lamps.
So I'm probably legal. Somewhere in my clutter, I have a copy of the operators handbook, I wonder if that will tell me anything? I also dug out Withams phone number. And Sennybridge camp is not too far away.
602
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trailer guy Articulating
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Odometer: 787 Location: Hampshire
1994 Land Rover 110
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:
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Hi 602,
This is the link to the NTTA (national trailer and towing assoc.) page ref. lighting. They don't mention the dates either, but this is probably due to the fact that most people have a tendency to pair down information to the basics!...
http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/trailers/lights.htm
Having worked for said trailer company since I was a teenager (horrid to stop and think about it!) I can almost guarantee that a traffic officer wouldn't know the dates either, or to be honest whether or not you actually require a fog light at all. We have them in from time to time asking various questions about trailers. (I had to appear as an "expert witness" for the police once. A most interesting foray in to that side of things...). I'm not putting the boys in blue down, by the way, it's just I reckon they have more important things to worry about. Even if they pull you to check your trailer, I reckon they'll be more interested in your tyres, brakes (if fitted), coupling and brake-away cable or secondary coupling. They'll deffo check lights, but probably not a fog.
all the best
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w3526602 Difflock Royalty
Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Odometer: 10758 Location: Glynneath, South Wales
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:18 am Post subject:
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Hi DD,
I agree. My concern is travelling 350 miles through France, and drawing the attention of Monsieur Plod. Their policy is to escort you to the nearest ATM to pay your fine, let you argue about it afterwards. Lets face it, an old Landy pulling a funny looking trailer before dawn has got to be a "puller".
602
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16 RN 49 Off-Road Guru
Joined: 26 May 2006 Odometer: 1059 Location: North Notts
2001 Land Rover Defender
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:32 am Post subject:
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I would have thought the Gendarms are even less likely to know than our own plod (about English Law). Seeing as you only have to comply to our law and not theirs on what grounds can they stop you? I'm sure they'd just concentrate on the major issues, as above.
I know that doesn't help much, though.
After a bit of googleing I've come up with the following:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafe...ementsfortrailers
Which states that the lighting should conform to The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989. The rear fog light section is here:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_16.htm
This does mention trailers but not at what age they need a fog light, one would assume, then, that the vehicle regs apply to the trailer as well (in which case you won't need a fog light on your trailer, it's to old). However, neither place mention the requirement of a fog light if the trailer is over 1.3m wide.
I think what you'll need is a copy of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 as amended. This isn't available online, you'll have to pay.
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gords1001 Mud Obsessed
Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Odometer: 2853 Location: astley
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | I would have thought the Gendarms are even less likely to know than our own plod (about English Law). Seeing as you only have to comply to our law and not theirs on what grounds can they stop you? I'm sure they'd just concentrate on the major issues, as above.
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I thought you had to carry a set of bulbs, fuses and a hazard triangle in france? That's not british law, but we still have to stick to it. Dont you also have to fit "beam deflectors" to the head lights, because of them driving on the wrong side of the road?
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16 RN 49 Off-Road Guru
Joined: 26 May 2006 Odometer: 1059 Location: North Notts
2001 Land Rover Defender
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject:
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gords1001 wrote: | Quote: | I would have thought the Gendarms are even less likely to know than our own plod (about English Law). Seeing as you only have to comply to our law and not theirs on what grounds can they stop you? I'm sure they'd just concentrate on the major issues, as above.
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I thought you had to carry a set of bulbs, fuses and a hazard triangle in france? That's not british law, but we still have to stick to it. Dont you also have to fit "beam deflectors" to the head lights, because of them driving on the wrong side of the road? |
Smart ****.
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gords1001 Mud Obsessed
Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Odometer: 2853 Location: astley
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject:
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Just obvious
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w3526602 Difflock Royalty
Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Odometer: 10758 Location: Glynneath, South Wales
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:50 am Post subject:
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Hi,
Yep, have to carry a set of bulbs for the car, and another set for the trailer.
Nobody has mentioned sealed beam headlamps, tho I did read that they are illegal in France (visitors excepted, I hope).
LH dip headlamps MUST be adapted, at all times, to compensate for driving cack-handed. Makes sense....I upset a French trucker early one morning. He gave me full benefit of his roof mounted spot lamps, I'm still blinking, and this was a widely seperated dual carriageway. I now have a pair of big, flat top spots set up to point at the RH kerb.
602
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