FORUM CLASSIFIEDS DIFFLOCK.com Links & Networks
Forum Homepage
Log in
Profile
Search
Private Messages
Forum Members
Register
Classified Ads
Search Ads
Place New Ad
My ads
Place your classified
ads here for FREE
NB: Adverts placed in the general
forum areas will be deleted
Difflock Homepage
Online Shop
Contact Us
FAQ
Calendar
Garage
Facebook
Twitter
Youtube
Advertise With Us - Reach your target market by advertising on the Difflock.com forum.
Click here or call 0845 125 9407


diesel fuels

 
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Difflock Forum Index -> LPG, Bio Diesel and Alternative Fuels
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: diesel fuels Reply with quote

found info on allsorts of fuel for diesel engines

sunflower
chip SPAM
veggie
gear oil
etc etc.

but will it run on domestic heating oil ??

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
jeepmadmike
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 08 May 2005
Odometer: 4573
Location: between 6000+7000 rpm and Devon



PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes but it is less lubricating for the injection system
__________________________________
Land Rovers are the root of all evil!

Now i have gone and bought a D4!

one day i might buy a 86" series one like my dad had when i was a boy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

thanks for reply,


just noticed posted in wrong section


sorry Embarassed

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
Kitesurf
Difflock Royalty


Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Odometer: 14197
Location: Luton, Beds


1994 Toyota Surf

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know where the lack of lubrication bit comes from. I was told by a diesel fitter, who examined a Hilux pickup that had been run on WVO for 80K of its 100K, that the wear on the engine was much lower than he would have expected for a truck that had been run on regular dino diesel.

Veg oil is much thicker and needs to be preheated to at least 60C for the injector pump to handle it. Once you have that sussed you are laughing.

Kitesurf (240L of WVO filtering in the garage) Phil

__________________________________
Motorist who drove his 4x4 up Snowdon sentenced to appear on Top Gear.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: diesel fuels Reply with quote

[quote="duke"]found info on allsorts of fuel for diesel engine







thanks phil. found info on veggie oil, question was.......

but will it run on domestic heating oil ?

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
Kitesurf
Difflock Royalty


Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Odometer: 14197
Location: Luton, Beds


1994 Toyota Surf

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, didn't spot the bottom line on domestic heating oil. Embarassed

I know nothing about running on heating oil, apart from the fact that it is illegal and if you get your tank dipped by HMRC, you could end up getting your truck confiscated, plus a hefty fine for tax evasion.

__________________________________
Motorist who drove his 4x4 up Snowdon sentenced to appear on Top Gear.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pay duty & vat on my heating oil


would I do anything illegal Rolling Eyes

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
Wilky
Just got MTs


Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Odometer: 130
Location: West Yorkshire



PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're using the heating oil for an Aga etc. then you're paying vat and duty for that purpose, if you intend to put it in your motor, you'd have to pay extra duty and even then you could fall foul of the law, as for the extra lubrication, you can put an egg cup full of two stroke oil in with each tank.

Using any diesel substitute is dodgy at best, some motors get away with it a lot don't, it cost me £1010 to find out mine wouldn't and that was cheap, due to a very good mechanic mate, could have bought a lot of diesel for that eh!

If the motor you're running it in is a cheap old bus, then you've not much to lose, if it's a decent motor, then think hard about it.

First thing you should do though, before using anything, is price up a new diesel pump, because that's what'll break if it goes belly up.

Just my humble opinion, but I've been bitten on the ****, wouldn't anyone else to be in the same situation.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Nathaniel
Difflock Royalty


Joined: 13 May 2003
Odometer: 17901
Location: North, North Yorkshire


1979 Suzuki LJ

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to declare road duty on any rebated fuel you put in your cars tank to use on a public highway.

Kerosene and Paraffin have Chemical markers in it that HMR&C can test for - just the same as red diesel.
And if you are caught using it you are in trouble.

To run Kerosene in an offroad engine requires you to add engine oil or veg oil to the fuel to lubricate the injection pump.

My tractor runs fine on Paraffin/vegoil mix.

__________________________________
Nat

If You Open Your Mind Too Much Your Brain Will Fall Out
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger eBay Name
andy410
Just got MTs


Joined: 01 Jan 2006
Odometer: 173
Location: Overpopulated Dorset.



PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive been using refined used cooking oil for over a year now,in a peugeot 306 turbo diesel engine.
And not had a single problem as of yet Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

answers on a postcard please Laughing


disco for offroad use,

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
Nathaniel
Difflock Royalty


Joined: 13 May 2003
Odometer: 17901
Location: North, North Yorkshire


1979 Suzuki LJ

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you need to know?

I answered your heating oil question above

Quote:
To run Kerosene in an offroad engine requires you to add engine oil or veg oil to the fuel to lubricate the injection pump.

__________________________________
Nat

If You Open Your Mind Too Much Your Brain Will Fall Out
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger eBay Name
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Nat

i apologize did not read your last post fully. Embarassed

could you confirm quantity of oil to add per 25litre of fuel.

thanks for moving post to relevant section.



robert

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
Nathaniel
Difflock Royalty


Joined: 13 May 2003
Odometer: 17901
Location: North, North Yorkshire


1979 Suzuki LJ

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot find any mention of amounts...

I would mix it at 50 parts to 1 ratio.

So thats a 500ml of oil into 25 litres of fuel

I would also use cheap 2 stroke oil - as it mixes better with fuel than motor oil and will no doubt smoke less.

Either that or use veg oil at maybe 25-1 ratio.

__________________________________
Nat

If You Open Your Mind Too Much Your Brain Will Fall Out
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger eBay Name
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks nat

I do appreciate all info


robert

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
treeboa
Articulating


Joined: 02 Jan 2008
Odometer: 527
Location: horden



PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

many many years ago we had an old transit and landy with a good supply of heating oil to get rid of, got a lot of free motoring but it definatly did niether engine any good, if had been one engine i would have said possibly, as i was both i would say it will damage

thing is customs can see your using it, yes some people get away with running red, so its your choice, is it woth the chance of the fine and confiscation of your vehicle

if its a case of just paying the duty if its otherwise waste then possibly it may be worth as a 50/50 mix
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
duke
Mud Obsessed


Joined: 15 Jun 2006
Odometer: 2005
Location: Thatcham Newbury surf 2.4td



PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just had heating oil delivered 1000 litres@ 36p litre inc vat.(kerosene)


big bold print on reciept,


THIS FUEL IS NOT TO BE USED AS ROAD FUEL.

does that mean that it can be used as road fuel providing of course you pay the extra duty etc ?
Idea

__________________________________
1995 5 door vitara 16v FOR SALE MAKE ME AN OFFER <><><><><><><><><><><><><>
1996 5 door vitara 16v (spares)

Toyota Surf 2.4td auto SSR-X
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail eBay Name
Rossko
Articulating


Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Odometer: 757




PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

duke wrote:
THIS FUEL IS NOT TO BE USED AS ROAD FUEL.

does that mean that it can be used as road fuel providing of course you pay the extra duty etc ?


If it meant that, wouldn't it say that Think

Start your research here -
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/otemanual/HCOTEG12780.htm

My guess is no, because your kero has been delivered as MKO, a 'Controlled Oil', and I doubt it is possible to un-control it afterwards. But you neeed to do your own homework, because it is you that the Revenue would skin. You could always ask them!

cheers, Ross K

__________________________________
www.glass-uk.org
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Difflock Forum Index -> LPG, Bio Diesel and Alternative Fuels All times are GMT - 12 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum
Facebook

Adrian Flux 2017

Specialist Tools

Service Kits

Oil Safe

Join our mailing list for upcoming events, special offers, discount coupons and expert advice on the latest 4x4 products!

* indicates required





    
Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group