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nivapaul Articulating
Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Odometer: 693 Location: Birmingham
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Welding up rear Diff
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Just an idea for my pickup at the moment and i was wondering if any other Niva's have been done and caused too many problems???
And YES its just for offroad use..
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simonallen Off-Road Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Odometer: 1019 Location: In the s**t most of the time...
1997 Lada Niva
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:41 am Post subject:
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ive not driven on in a niva but a lad at work has a 325 BM thet he has welded up the rear diff on. it pushes the front end on a little when you trying to turn. until you give it a bit of powe then all hell breaks loose!!
they do it on the sj's enough go for it I say. it's not hard to change it if you don't like?
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:
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Paul,
For off-road use only, I'd agree with Simon - do it!
Regards,
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niva nut Gate Opener
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Odometer: 32 Location: Sheffield
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject:
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Go on paul go for it you no you want to Like simon says you can always change it back
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Eddy Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Odometer: 335 Location: Waikerie SA ... OR-STRAY-LEE-ARGH
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:09 am Post subject:
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I drove a Ford Falcon ute on road (and off) for nearly ten years with a cig locker. After the first few days getting used to it, I had no issues whatsoever.
Also had a cig locker on two LJ50s
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nivapaul Articulating
Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Odometer: 693 Location: Birmingham
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject:
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DONE
After running on stands at 20 mph and flushing the oil out X2, all seems well---Whees the mud..
Thought id frow the Hussar in with new boots on, might get it back on the road, what do you think??
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niva nut Gate Opener
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Odometer: 32 Location: Sheffield
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:
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Nice one paul let us no what its like on the road ,get the hussar on the road it'll make a great laning machine , after a good T cutting
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Eddy Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Odometer: 335 Location: Waikerie SA ... OR-STRAY-LEE-ARGH
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:
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buford wrote: | a 7&1/2 inch falcon borg warner diff welded up...compared to a lada/fiat diff welded up.....???? hope you have lots of spare axle's for when you snap one, cause that's what's going to happen....just buy the locker and stay happy knowing it works.... | wtf?
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Patrick_91 Just got MTs
Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Odometer: 122 Location: Poplar Point, MB, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject:
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Hey bud if these guys say its safe then it's safe respect there authority, and don't underestimate a Niva
Quote: | a 7&1/2 inch falcon borg warner diff welded up...compared to a lada/fiat diff welded up.....???? hope you have lots of spare axle's for when you snap one, cause that's what's going to happen....just buy the locker and stay happy knowing it works.... |
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simonallen Off-Road Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Odometer: 1019 Location: In the s**t most of the time...
1997 Lada Niva
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:
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it's all a case of relativity....
relatively speaking a falcon is huge compared to a niva. the drivetrain is also huge compared to a niva.
percentage wise though I would guess the niva is as strong as a falcon, but with less power
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Eddy Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Odometer: 335 Location: Waikerie SA ... OR-STRAY-LEE-ARGH
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject:
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Falcon - 1780 kg, 4.1 litre 6cyl
Niva - 1200 kg (?) 1.6 litre 4 cyl
seems to me the niva diff has a better chance!
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Eddy Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Odometer: 335 Location: Waikerie SA ... OR-STRAY-LEE-ARGH
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:30 am Post subject:
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buford wrote: | check the diameter if a niva axle at the splines compared to a falcon.... | yup, done that, and can do it again any time I choose.
- can also compare the engines anytime I chose.
Quote: | then you might see see my point... | nope ...
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Patrick_91 Just got MTs
Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Odometer: 122 Location: Poplar Point, MB, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:10 am Post subject:
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Quote: | Just where did I say it was'nt safe....??? |
You will see that with your comment below that you were implying that it wouldn't be safe.
Quote: | hope you have lots of spare axle's for when you snap one, cause that's what's going to happen. |
P.S. Stop trying to stir the s*it pot m8
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject:
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We'll find out on the 14th/15th of this month how well it works! There's a meeting of the Niva Owners Club near Kidderminster, and Paul will be there with his pickup. Knowing him, it should be an interesting time!
I've not seen the vehicle in real life, and I'm looking forward to doing so.
Regards,
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simonallen Off-Road Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Odometer: 1019 Location: In the s**t most of the time...
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject:
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the pics dont do it justice john. if ever there was a solid looking niva paul's is the one
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fourdogs Winch Assistant
Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Odometer: 85 Location: Auckland, NZ
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:
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I remember reading some years ago that some rally drivers filled the centre of the diffs with lead rather than welding it as it supposedly allowed for a bit of "give".
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simonallen Off-Road Guru
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Odometer: 1019 Location: In the s**t most of the time...
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject:
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"you idiot"
very grown up
And just to go back to the original rather than b!tching at each other. this is an experiment for paul. the vehicle is off road only and he doesn't rev the nuts off it (it's a diesel so no need to). if it DOES brake he has / has access to many spares. people do it on sj's and swear by it, no-one on here has done it in a niva. I'm fitting a 2.9 v6 into my niva...
Many (lesser informed) people will say it's too big, will explode diffs and wipe out three continents in the process but unless it's done who knows?
forums in general tend to have
1. a lot of people with big opinions whether they be based on fact or not
2. a list of "approved" mods that have been done to death and nobody thinks outside the box. OK paul isn't exactly pioneering new technology but just because it's different and a little bit risky should people REALLY be slagging him off or putting him down?
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Patrick_91 Just got MTs
Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Odometer: 122 Location: Poplar Point, MB, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | and I am not your mate, hoser.....get that point perfectly clear....! beyond your selective reading ability???? I am sure..... |
You know what MATE, there is no need to start the name calling, moderated (as expected)
PS. This is gonna probably get moderated, so there was really no point in typing it....
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject:
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Time we called this a day, folks.
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nivaman Articulating
Joined: 24 May 2006 Odometer: 929 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:31 am Post subject:
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hoodoo wrote: | Time we called this a day, folks.
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Indeed.
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baxter Articulating
Joined: 08 May 2006 Odometer: 647 Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:52 am Post subject:
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Sensible debate on the life of welded diffs is welcome - especially if you've experiance of a Lada with one.
Name calling, insults, etc is not welcome. There's plenty other car forums for people to slag each other off.
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Patrick_91 Just got MTs
Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Odometer: 122 Location: Poplar Point, MB, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:09 am Post subject:
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EDIT: Well since it's my b-day (Yay ), and im no longer in a pissy mood, Why don't we just call this 'water under the bridge?' I have no intention of further arguing with you buford...., but am still not to happy with what was said in the above comments.....
Anyways Nuff said, and i hope we can be friends in a later point in life
Patrick
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:43 am Post subject:
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Happy Birthday, young 'un!
Regards,
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Patrick_91 Just got MTs
Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Odometer: 122 Location: Poplar Point, MB, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject:
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LOL thanks hoodoo, man the party was crazy you guys should have been here
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Patrick_91 Just got MTs
Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Odometer: 122 Location: Poplar Point, MB, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject:
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Whatever mate like i said i have no further intention of arguing with you, and i think your being quite childish about this after i tried to make good with you... anyway, can you please just drop this for everyones sake?
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gadgetboy Off-Road Guru
Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Odometer: 1947 Location: Belfast, N. Ireland
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject:
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Oh! You fix cranes. Why didn't you say?
Tell you what bud. If you've got some constructive comment for this forum go right ahead mate. Otherwise pal, just keep quiet and stop antagonising everyone. That ok with you chum? It's a nice, quiet, friendly folder we have in this forum. Let's keep it that way shall we amigo?
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madman Just got MTs
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Odometer: 203 Location: Winnipeg, MB Canada
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject:
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Well said comrade!
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Eddy Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Odometer: 335 Location: Waikerie SA ... OR-STRAY-LEE-ARGH
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:59 am Post subject:
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buford wrote: | dont insult my intelligence ... | doing fine all by yourself bud
Quote: | I fix 200-500 ton liebherr cranes just a bit more complex then the lada I drive... | and they have ... what .... niva diffs in'em, or the borg warner diff??
... just so's we know from whence comes the voice of knowledge and experience matey
I have already stated my experience with cig lockers, and as far as I can tell you are simply passing on hearsay ... a mate of somebody you spoke to once heard that someone who's mate had a cig locker in a niva went and broke it whilst doing donuts in a supermarket carpark so therefore niva diffs will automatically break an axle as soon as you weld them.
This almost matches the legend that Niva front wheel bearings will automatically fly apart if Suzuki wheels are fitted.
I too was told that the suzuki LJ50 would break stuff if I welded the diff. I did it anyway and nothing broke.
I was also told that welding the Borg Warner diff in my Ford would cause all kinds of hassle, but I did it and drove it on and off road for over 200 thousand kilometres in nearly ten years.
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danno83 Just got MTs
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:57 am Post subject:
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I may not know a huge amount about Niva's, still only a newby in relation to them, but from what I've found so far, it takes an awful lot to kill one of these, and honestly, if the Diff has been welded properly, then I can't see a problem, for starters, the standard engine would not have enough power to snap the diff (unless your doing something you should definitely NOT be doing).
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simonallen Off-Road Guru
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:22 am Post subject:
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spring to mind. as gadgetboy has said this is a friendly section, and this arguing has even driven the original poster out of his own thread. I'm contacting the admin to lock this thread down as it's turning into something we're not!!
Simon
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