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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: new mogger
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hi, i would like to introduce myself. i am David, and i have just bought my first mog.
it is already diesel 2.2 i think, 4 pot don't know if it will work again, been sitting for 10 years.
would really like to fit 6 pot diesel or 200tdi landy what do you think
it needs quite alot work but i was very lucky to be able to buy a good hard cab in another sale.
would you make your first mod a disk conversion
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Winnet Difflock Royalty
Joined: 03 Dec 2003 Odometer: 14725 Location: Aberdeen
1985 Land Rover
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:
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Welcome to the forum I'm sure there will be lots of help on the way.
But as the old saying goes.....
G.
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minimog Off-Road Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1700
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject:
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welcome to the mog house
do you know what model you have (could be a 421)have to post some pics so we can see/ help you with it
if it a 421 its on the later axel type and theres not many disk conversion out there at the moment
as for the diesel lump they are so simple and reliable i would see if i could get that running first
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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: my mog
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hi, the mog is as follows
1963 404 that was registered in 1980 so is on a "w". i am the third owner the mod being no 1, i think it was a troop carrier like the norm as it is single cab soft top
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The Original Donk Off-Road Guru
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1638 Location: The Wilds of Wales
1963 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:49 am Post subject:
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1963 404 registered on a W plate, mod previously owned it, hmmm I see a pattern forming here lol
Regards, Chris.
1963 404 DoKa
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Steveb Gate Opener
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Odometer: 44 Location: Suffolk
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:
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Hi Piggy,
welcome to the forum, I have a 404 or two, and am not far from you if you need help/stuff.
mmm portals and difflocks
Cheers
Steveb
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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: new mogger
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hi thanks for the welcome guys,
but really need some answers to some questions,
are you all still running drums or have you switched to disks.
bures pit is my local, and it is a bit sandy as you would expect, as this will be the weekend home for the mog, i would like disks, only because all the other offroaders i have had i.e SJ and 90 were on drums and the slop just ground them out so no brakes.
i can see a way to make my own, just copying what other people have done, using landy bits, now would you or have you made your own.
would you use two calipers per corner for front, two per corner for the rear using one of the pair as a hyd hand break my reasoning for using two per corner is that the mog is a fare bit heavier than any landy am i over doing it
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shush dont tell the mog i'm having an affair..... with a spider!!!! |
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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: new mogger
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now Ive started i cant stop
donk,
i just love your mog and where is the photo taken of you climbing over the rocks it looks good fun
steve b,
are you the guy that bought the 10 mogs from twinstead the other month if so i have spoken to you down the pit and i will be in touch soon
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shush dont tell the mog i'm having an affair..... with a spider!!!! |
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
1961 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject:
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The drums are good man, they're well over engineered and I wouldn't worry about them for a while.
jim
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Anthony BathMat Rushton Mud Obsessed
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Odometer: 3749 Location: Wigan Near Manc
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject:
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donks picture was taken at frickley 4x4
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
1961 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject:
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Piggy,
You have a deadline - May 16th next year. Have you a picture? This is mine
Does it drive? Lets have some pictures.
jim
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Steveb Gate Opener
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Odometer: 44 Location: Suffolk
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: new mogger
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piggy wrote: | now Ive started i cant stop
steve b,
are you the guy that bought the 10 mogs from twinstead the other month if so i have spoken to you down the pit and i will be in touch soon |
Yep , see you at Bures soon I guess once you've got the cab sorted out.
Disc conversions have been done using RRC/Disco 1 discs and calipers ,also G-wagen discs . Over the pond I think ford F150 disc's can be converted, there are also some exp£nsive off the shelf purpose designed kits.
Cheers
Steveb
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moggs Just got MTs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Odometer: 227 Location: kendal cumbria
2007 Mercedes-Benz s404.1
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: moggs
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hello from me too.
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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: new mogger
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hi guys
havent had any answers or advice on the disk convertion post, i have checked all over the net and have seen all the kits
do none of you have disks, or truly think they are not worth having
please give me your advice on this as i will be starting the convertion soon
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shush dont tell the mog i'm having an affair..... with a spider!!!! |
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
1961 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject:
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I've only seen one disk conversion that didn't look like some hacked together PoS. You using it on the road? Would be very difficult to make it actually legal.
There must be something you want to do other than brakes, do that!
I have started getting recon brake cylinders from the states, dear(ish) but cheaper than new, and *much* cheaper than a disk conversion.
As someone pointed out on Mog Message Exchange, the sand will nicely de-glaze the drums.
jim
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Steveb Gate Opener
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Odometer: 44 Location: Suffolk
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject:
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Hi David,
There are one or two over on LR4x4 forum that have converted to disc using a kit by Tibus IIRC , some pic's:
I think they come with new hubs , not sure what discs are used etc, you should be able to find it doing a search on LR4x4 , not cheap though
As a thought all the disc conversions using existing bits are based around 4x4's like RRC/Ford F150/ G-Wagen , has anyone looked at 7.5T ford cargo? 17.5" wheels so that would be ok, and air over hydraulic too , bits are common and cheap enough mmmmm will have to check it out methinks
Cheers
Steveb
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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: my mog
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hi my mog gods,
this is what i was after,
shaggy or anybody,
what would the implications of fitting disks be it home brewed or company bought
steveb, as we have an old ford cargo and merc 814 i have already thought about them as donors for break bits its just that both have rear drums so would have to buy extra front ends, ford OK but mers very expensive
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forkrentfitter Articulating
Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Odometer: 523 Location: felixstowe
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:
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hi,straight forward supplies in north wales do a kit using lr parts,it shows it on there web site.
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
1961 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject:
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Land rover (3.5t GVW) calipers on a 4.75t GVW mog, heresy!
I think it's actually easier to get modifications through the HGV test (wagons are fiddled with all the time) than the normal one. Depends how you have your mog registered. You'd have to tell the ministry and probably get an engineers report for the insurance. I can't imagine it'd be fun.
jim
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The Original Donk Off-Road Guru
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1638 Location: The Wilds of Wales
1963 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:
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where you conjuring up the 4.75 GVW for a 404? My DoKa weighs in at 2600kgs...only 500 kilos heavier than our disco
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
1961 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 404 Doka
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject:
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From the operators manual. I've always assumed I'd have about 2 ton of load available, but haven't weighed it yet.
The limit is the brakes - some of the power assisted ones have GVW of 5250KG
jim
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Turnip Just got MTs
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Odometer: 192 Location: Gloucestershire
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Discs or drums....?
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Piggy,
If its discs you want then discs you should have - but with some work! I took a slightly different route with the Turnip Mobile. Beneath its sleek and sophisticated exterior is a 1956 404 Mog. The drum brakes were scary, and I drive a series one landrover! A visit to the local scrappy coughed up a Leyland Roadrunner. I robbed the pedal actuator,all the pipes.3 tanks,master cylinder and the compressor.
The compressor was blanked,fitted with an oil seal and a pulley and belt driven from the engine - also got a power steering pump on the back!
The master cylinder and tanks bolted onto the chassis and the pedal actuator fitted into the standard mog pedal box.
The whole deal piped up with the existing quick fit nylon pipes and you have dual air circuit,dual hydraulic circuit brakes that stop the wheels going round - anywhere!
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piggy Just got MTs
Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Odometer: 189 Location: gt waldingfield suffolk
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: my mog
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thanks turnip,
is your mog on the road or just for off road, did you have to tell anybody modding the brakes, if so who
__________________________________ sj,rangerover,90 i have had them all, just fell in love again, its a mog!!
shush dont tell the mog i'm having an affair..... with a spider!!!! |
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Turnip Just got MTs
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Odometer: 192 Location: Gloucestershire
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: discs or drums?
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Hi - yes the Mog is legally on the road, although it does most of its work off road. As for telling anyone.......well the way I see it is - the brakes are far better now than they were before and if they were good enough for a 7.5 ton truck, they are good enough for a 2 ton Mog.
The trouble is if you ask too many questions, it never seems to take long before you find some jobsworth who would like to give you trouble!
Seriously though, all I have altered is the actuation mechanism and not the brakes themselves, there are 3 separate air circuits and two hydraulic, if all that lots fail, I think someone is trying to tell you something?
Here is an early pic showing the master cyl and tanks etc.
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