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Nathaniel
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: WVO Production Reply with quote

I'm considering setting up a shed with an arrangement of IBC's and 45gall drums to filter WVO for my own use.

Can anyone post some pics of thier setups so I have an idea of what is involved?

Filters strainers, settling drums etc etc.

Also any estimate of cost?

Thanks in Advance!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I'd be interested in seeing anyone elses setup especially if you're adding sodium methoxide (methanol and sodium hydroxide) to the mixture and what you do to post process the mixture.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have a look on here http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php

there's some great set ups on which average about 100 pound per set up

if you have a read through all your questions will have been answered before

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the Replies!

I'm gonna need another shed...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Built another shed....

got 4x 45gall drums.. A TAM105 pump and I'm waiting for my filter housings and barrell strainer....

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got everything except the Barrel strainer and the Veg....

Arranged to get some from where our lass works, and just secured the used Rapeseed from my local Chinese takeaway, just need to pluck up the courage to ask some others...

Photos to follow...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted on Freecycle for waste oil Laughing

Some pics of my setup, just waiting for the oil...


First 10 litres have wet the bottom of the drum, Excluding that SPAM!


Gotta have SHELVES!


Got a light and electric plugged into the garage..


TAM105 Pump nestling on the floor.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and I wasn't gonna PAY for filter brackets!

Used shelving brackets so they can be quickly demounted from the wall if needs be...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is it up and running Nat?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, just waiting for the oil to arrive.

Ed is bringing me a shedload soon and I am slowly getting local producers on board!

I NEED to approach one of the rather large local chip shops - they use sunflower oil instead of the traditional Beef Dripping, they must use LOADS!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nat great start ......... wont be clean for too long.

few wee pointers ( if you dont mind ) youll will be forever changing those socks.... let gravity and time do 90% of the work then polish the oil with the sock filters.

if you pump it too early on , ie with a high moisture or hydrogenated SPAM content youll make mayonaise whuich will have a half life of a bout a million years to settle.

add more barrels and mid drain points and just take time.......

good luck, ive made every mistake possible with this just trying to save you some time / tears Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the Advice Terence.

I've had some good advice off the guys at vegetableoildiesel.co.uk.

I am currently settling drums for 7 days before adding them to the first barrel, I only pour off the clean oil on top.

Then in the first barrel it'll have another few days of settling before being drawn off to the pump at a tap 20cm from the bottom.

Ther eis talk of me adding a heater to the first tank to drive off a bit of water and to settle it faster.

I'm also looking at adding another filter with an 80 micron washable net in it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just adding to this after seeing your twintank thread. What rating are the filter elements your using?

Also, if you have space and a limited supply of oil, it's good to have a tank for all your crap. You can leave it to settle for a month or so and more good oil will settle out.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh aye, we're settling and re settling!

The Elements I'm using are a 50 micron and a 1micron, to go one better I would add a third one with an 80micron washable and have the middle one with a 25micron.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last one i built used two washable filters (250 & 80), then a 30, 10 & 1. The stuff was settled for just under a month before being pumped through and the filters lasted ages, easily filtered half the storage (2000L) before needing a change.

Settling rocks! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nat, have you got a link to the supplyers of the filters and pump ect?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the pump is from Machine Mart 35quid, excellent pump but not self priming, needs to be lower than the oil.

Filters are best bought from http://www.mearesolutions.co.uk/

You NEED to ring roger, he is cheapest by far and will advise you best, tell him Nathaniel Ham sent you Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nat i posted this on our forum for bigstu.
it was how i did it. and will be doing it again when i get the 1.5 pug lump in the sammy Wink
the drum off used cooking i was getting from the in laws pub had water in them. so i would poor it in to a clear 25ltr drum and leave it for a week. the oil would sit on top of the water. the drum had a tap about 1/4 off the way up from the bottom. if the water was just up past the tap, drain off a bit off water till the oil was just below the tap and leave for a bit longer.then drain it off through the paint filter in to second drum. then pump this through the two last filters in to 3rd drum. job done. in the winter i was running 50,50 mix. in the summer i was running 80,20 mix.it worked for me.
the filter set up i had was;
again quoted from our forum.
get a filter housing from a diesel car but one were the filter is a paper one,like a old landy. even better get two and run them in line. pump the oil through them and what should come out the other end should be good and clean. if you were to poor it through the paint filter (1000 mic om paint filter.paper type)first to get the big bits out it should be OK.

this worked for me on a 259.000 mile bag off **** mondao. and she never missed a beat.
it was all a bit Fred in the shead. but it worked.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using car filter housings is a good idea but at the cost of 9.50 for a 10 inch filter housing, 35quid mchine mart pump and replaceable filter cartidges coming in at about 1.70 theres little reason to skimp on the job.

as you say settling time is the most important.

Another option we're developing is fitting 5inch housings to the car, gives a cheap replaceable filter with a rating anywhere between 80-1 micron.

You *could* just filter to 50 micron in the shed and then filter to 5 micron on the car...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i only used the two landy one cos thay were at work going spare. an the filter i can get for about £2 each. so was cheaper that why Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

petetong wrote:
i only used the two landy one cos thay were at work going spare. an the filter i can get for about £2 each. so was cheaper that why Wink


Thats a good enoug reason Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nat,

Could you tell me what size hose you are using and where you got all the fittings from?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure the hose is 1" ID and was supplied by work, I bought the taps from work too, they're simply 3/4" Water taps but I replaced the rubber washer with peices of soft plastic because Veg oil destroys rubber.

the Machine mart pump was £35 and I just added a couple of Hose tails to the order.

for any filters the cheapest place by far is www.mearesoloutions.co.uk - Give Roger a ring, he'll sort you out. Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Nat,

I talked to Roger earlier and he gave me a quote, looks like I will be putting an order in this week.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Heater Set Up Reply with quote

I was just wondering if anyone has considered taking a spur of their central heating to warm either a coolant heated filter housing, or a storage tank prefiltering.

I only ask as I am currently building a home cleaning set up, and also doing some amendments to my home plumbing and you know what its like - your holding copper pipe in one hand for a radiator, and rubber hose in the other for a WVO set up and UREKA.

Dont even know if its worth doing - and i am sure someone will say in summer you dont want your heating on, but there is no reason you have to use it in warmer months, you could even use a solar heater then.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Heater Set Up Reply with quote

wuas680 wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone has considered taking a spur of their central heating to warm either a coolant heated filter housing, or a storage tank prefiltering.

I only ask as I am currently building a home cleaning set up, and also doing some amendments to my home plumbing and you know what its like - your holding copper pipe in one hand for a radiator, and rubber hose in the other for a WVO set up and UREKA.

Dont even know if its worth doing - and i am sure someone will say in summer you dont want your heating on, but there is no reason you have to use it in warmer months, you could even use a solar heater then.



I see no reason not to - BUT

What are you going to use as a heat exchanger - bear in mind that WVO goes rather manky when it comes into contact with copper.

You want to be COLD filtering the oil but heat upto 60*c and then cool beforehand to dewater the oil (I never bother with dewatering but you should really)

Most people use an electric immersion heater - Balance the cost between using an electric immersion heater for an hour against the cost of your modified plumbing and then the cost of firing up your CH in summer to heat the oil.

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