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Crawler.. bike buggy..2 seater flat 4 variable diff pro warp
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Crawler.. bike buggy..2 seater flat 4 variable diff pro warp Reply with quote

hi all
had a call from one of my old pals last night, " l have finished my latest buggy can l bring it up and give it a test round your track tomorrow" yep sure says I, didn't quite know what he was bringing till he arrived, l likey, in fact if l fitted in it l would be building one by now !

brief spec
suzuki axles
bonded ally tub
long travel suspension
no springs
1600cc enginebox midmounted
target weight 500 kg





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l have a lot more info, and mark said he would email me the build photos if any one is interested ?
but for now a few pics as we all like pics don't we

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that looks great i would love to build sumert like that but i'm not aloud any more 4x4's at my house Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and here's proof l don't fit in it!
must be something wrong with the seat as l couldn't even slide down into it, got jammed halfway down!!
which is a real shame as 1600cc engine propels 500kg with enough gusto to turn your eye balls back to front, but unfortunately all l could do was witness marks silly grin
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting build - very different.
More pics and info if available please Andy.

I'm a shortarse so would do me nicely and I've got plenty of zook bits kicking about.....

... nooo, I mustn't.... Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi nigel
here's a few more pics, this was the first time out so he didn't push it too hard, part of the track is really tight and twisty aimed at quads really, and will normally stop an sj unless you have diff locks both ends
but this has so much axle travel that it just crawled through at tick over
( diff locks not yet installed )

mark has over the years competed with offroad clubs and has built this to carry on doing so, l would like to be there when this is presented to the scrutineer for the first time, rules like diagonals from the roll hoop down to the chassis, may be difficult when there is no chassis!

as light as poss was the design idea, everything is riddled with holes or as light as it can be made, the tub was drawn up using cad, and the cut out by laser and folded up, then bonded and riveted making a strong but light weight Assembly, the engine/box are out of a Citroen
chosen because it is an alloy block head etc to keep the weight down
the diff in the gearbox was welded up after removing any gears that were not required, two props feed out of the saxo gear box too 2 sj axles double diffing in effect giving about 7 to 1 overall ratio, inside there are only 2 pedals accelerator and clutch ! brakes are 2 levers by your left hand pull both and all the brakes work or pull one to brake one side only
but it was built around mark and it fits like a glove, and try as l might l couldn't get my 6'6"" into it, l was going to put my lycra on and smear myself with Vaseline, but the others said they would leave if l did as they didn't want to be scarred for life !!!

l will get some build up pics and more accurate specs of mark















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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm liking it Andy!
All too often a build seems to be big/heavy/brutish but this is an interesting concept.
Like you say, wonder how the scrutineers are going to take it!!

Look forward to some more pics & info...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is soooo different - I love it. I take it the engine is where the passnger seat should be. Must be as light as a feather. And soooo different - I love it! Did i already say that?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is an an awesome 4x4. I'd love to see some more pic's of the build of it.
Looks like it's got some Fox air shoxs on it, but not sure of the travel, maybe 14"?
If it's powered by the Citroen Saxon VTS engine, then it'll have maybe 125bhp and if it weighs in at 500kg, then that'll be about 250bhp per tonne - which is more than Subaru Impressa Shocked
Looking really nice that - BUT WE NEED MORE PIC/INFO Laughing
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ps need a name for it, how about Saxzuki?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shaun
spot on about the shocks 14" they are
250 bhp/ton that would explain the stupid smirk they all came back with,


here's a couple of vids from a bit later on


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToMh2p8TqSU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyVbtA233xE


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks superb. I like it!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it float !?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baloo.. thats cracking!!!!! Id have one tomorrow.. but its left hand drive Laughing Rolling Eyes Embarassed .


That is really something else!!! WOW

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks really good, well thought out and put together.

Massive project must have taken ages from having the idea originally to actually driving it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi all
l will be actively chasing mark for the build photos today, l am sure they will be worth waiting for
does it float ? don't know if theres a floor to the engine bay, if there is it would probably float away
the build was started in january and finished last week, 9 months pretty quick huh

kitesurf phill, you love it then?

alan: l thought that might get your attention, l will let you know when hes bringing it back as he wanted someone to drive it at speed so he could observe the suspension working from the outside, or don't you want to drive it as its left hand drive ?

lots of little details appear when you start to study it, like the brake pipes going to the rear drums, 2 each side ?
hand brake becomes a problem when you have 14" wheel travel, if you use a conventional hand brake lever and cable you have to have it so slack to avoid it pulling on when the wheel is fully up,down that it doesn't pull on the shoes when the lever is fully up.
so it has 2 wheel cylinders in each wheel, standard top cylinder for the main brakes and another where the bottom fulcrum used to be for the hand brake

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baloo i LOVE IT!!!!

As soon as TX is running we'll have to meet up at yours and have a play..

The engine box looks tiny... your friend is a clever man indeed.. I SO WANT ONE!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are welcome anytime matey
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is VERY cool!

I do like it, has almost inspired me to start work on my lightweight project... almost Laughing
Mines nowhere near that level tho!
Although thats exactly how I wanted my wheelarches to be Crying or Very sad

What a really clever bit of kit!

Keep the photos coming!

Only question is, where are the recovery points?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy,
If you do post about the build, make a seperate thread altogether and ask everyone NOT to post in it until you've put everything into the thread so it doesn't become dis-jointed with everbody's posts.

Nat,
Recovery points, pffft Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nat
wanting recovery points must indicate that you are expecting to get stuck, pma is want you need, but just in case it runs out of petrol there is a hoop above the right front shock and a similar hoop on the "post" on the top of the rear axle

nigel
l will post a build up thread, just trying to get all the pics and info of him

cheers andy


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy......What can i say.....WOW its FAB!!!! Looks like great fun....I'm so impressed....WOW!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baloo.. does he know how much it weighs??

Did he keep it to his 500 Kg target?? If so then thats even more impressive!!!

Every time I look at the pics im gob smacked.. Its AWESOME

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it just dawned on me at 1.30 in the morning

ITS A MOON BUGGY

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Yeah I love trying to pick holes in stuff Laughing

If you're not getting stuck, you ain't trying hard enough!

Only reason why I mentioned recovery points is aren't they part of AWDC Scrutineering?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy thats one cool offroader. Has it spurred you on to finish your buggy?. I will pop up and see you when the weather gets a bit more offroad friendly. Very Happy

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whats the price on them shocks?
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looks a bit like a mini telehandler with the boom removed.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi dunk
you are welcome to pop up as soon as you like, if its the wet weather you are waiting for l can always divert the river across the track for you, and as for spurring me on to finish my buggy its even worse, l want one of these now !!
bonerattler
sure does look like a moon buggy, or as climbingchris says a telehandler with out its boom

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l think them shocks were £130 each, the dearest thing on the buggy l believe

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baloo wrote:

wezbee
l think them shocks were £130 each, the dearest thing on the buggy l believe

They look like 14" 2.0 Fox Airshox, available from Milners at £160 a corner.
Description: http://www.milneroffroad.com/20PRO.HTM
Pricelist: http://www.milneroffroad.com/FOXPRICE2.HTM

Baloo, could you find out what pressure the shocks are run at please?
Also, do you have any more photo's of the 812 and the other machine - a Priestman?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

been thinking about the physics on this one ya know and one thing kinda sticks in my head

you say the tub is bonded ally and every thing bolts to that (no chassis) then do you not get any problems with the tub flexing when in use just to my way of thinking the tub would need to be braced its self

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks braced around the top with the roll bar to suspension mounts etc.
The tub is under-slung really by the looks of it with only the drivers weight to hold?

Great design IMO. loving the lack of springs and the hp of the engine,had one of those vts's as a kid and it flew.
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