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bob ajob
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 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: Bio Ethanol
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Does anyone know anything about this?
I think it's something to do with Sugar Beet, though I don't know much more than that.
If anyone knows where I can get some, and what it does to your engine? An old Ford (Essex) 3L V6 such as we have is quite thirsty, possibly nearly as thirsty as a Rover V8 
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pam
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject:
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People here may already know I have strong reservations about bio-fuels due to the problems of growing enough of the stuff without causing other problems !
However, I was interested to read that bioethanol can be made from Sugar beet. As you may have heard in the news the sugar beet growers in Yorkshire have been heavily hit by British Sugar announcing the closure of its sugar processing factories near York. I wonder if there would be any mileage (!) in having the sugar beet growers using their crop for fuel if it is no longer required for food use ? They are supposed to be having a meeting with Mr Bliar soon, bet he doesn't come up with any way of saving their jobs - he hasn't done so far for any of the other food industry / insurance sector jobs lost in York over the last 3 years or so.... whinge, moan, peev etc
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject:
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| pam_white wrote: | People here may already know I have strong reservations about bio-fuels due to the problems of growing enough of the stuff without causing other problems !
However, I was interested to read that bioethanol can be made from Sugar beet. As you may have heard in the news the sugar beet growers in Yorkshire have been heavily hit by British Sugar announcing the closure of its sugar processing factories near York. I wonder if there would be any mileage (!) in having the sugar beet growers using their crop for fuel if it is no longer required for food use ? They are supposed to be having a meeting with Mr Bliar soon, bet he doesn't come up with any way of saving their jobs - he hasn't done so far for any of the other food industry / insurance sector jobs lost in York over the last 3 years or so.... whinge, moan, peev etc |
Its ironic that the french promote boi diesel in there normal diesel to keep farmers happy (as per other post) and the Indonisian rain forest is getting cut down at a collosal rate to feed the bio chemical industry with the crops it needs, and here we are with acres of land that is being made redundant due to aformentioned reasons, and yet we are told to recycle and have to suffer smelly dustbins for two weeks.
The enviroment doesnt count , looking like you care counts as that means votes,.
Should be in the rant forum, sorry but this subject gets me going.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:41 am Post subject:
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| pam_white wrote: | | due to the problems of growing enough of the stuff without causing other problems ! |
I can see the problem when you transfer crop space to bio-fuel, but it should be possible to produce bio-fuels from the waste of food crops, eg the leafy parts. It appears as if sugar beat (Europe) / sugar cane (Brazil) are favourites for bio-ethanol, because the bio-fuel yields are very good. With waste biomass the yields will be much lower, but it is still doable - eventually market economics will make it viable.
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land_crab
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject:
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Hi
there are country's using Bio-ethonol at the moment, Brazil for one. You can run a 5% mixture without altering the engine (with most engines) but to run on more than 5% needs a lot of alteration to the engine.
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The Original Tom
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject:
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They've just started selling it at the local Morrison's, I'm gonna chuck a tank into the V8 tonight, I'll let y'all know hoe it goes...
It's a whole tuppence per litre cheaper than petrol, and it provides more power too!
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The Original Tom
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject:
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Weeeeeey, no I'm not!!!
It's E85, which needs a lot of modding to run. I'll just work out the ratios so I end up with 5% in my tank to avoid tears  - I'll report back when I know how it drives.
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