Registering a Mog in the UK ?

EX-INF · Just got MTs Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Odometer: 256

Wotca Gents,
What are your 404s on the road as in the Uk ,
Camper ? ,,,trackter ?? ,,,,recovery ??? historic ??
I fancy a 404 direct from Holland but wondered what you run them as ?
G wagons I have done and they end up as a car no problem .
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shaggy · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

I did a fair amount of looking into it and wrote it up here;

Registering a 404.

depends how legit you want to be - and whether you want insurance to pay out.

jim

EX-INF · Just got MTs Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Odometer: 256

Many thanks Shaggy Very Happy

,
camper conversion is an other option with radio bodied modals i suppose ?.
any one had one of eBay in Germany yet ? seem a good buy ?
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Moggy · Guest

Lots of nice mogs appear on ebay.de and they're unbelievably cheap compared to the UK. Shouldn't think it'll be too hard to regsiter them over here.

The one I've just bought is registered as an agricultural machine which, as shaggy's rather splendid website points out, isn't ideal. So I'm going to re-register it I think when I've got some proof of age...

http://cgi.ebay.de/UNIMOG-S-404-1-mit-FUNKKOFFER_W0QQitemZ180139142127QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29750QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.de/Unimog-404-Kofferaufbau_W0QQitemZ220129508141QQihZ012QQcategoryZ45642QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.de/Unimog-404-Schlepper-Cabrio-Zugmaschine-kurze-Pritsche_W0QQitemZ200128575098QQihZ010QQcategoryZ29094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

chris_moulding · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:02 am Post subject:

One point to consider is that the regs have recently changed. You can only operate (i.e. drive) a maximum of 100 km from your base (where the vehicle is registered) if you are taxed as agricultural or recovery.

There is a taxation class called Private HGV for vehicles that weigh more that 3500 kg that are only used for non-commercial use. The vehicle needs to pass the LGV MOT test and you may need to pass the HGV driving test if your licence doesn't let you drive vehicles up to 7500 kg. You are exempt from tachographs as well at present but thats likely to change.

Moggy · Guest

isle_of_man · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:

i believe the figure is much less than what has been quoted (more like 10k) for agricultural use, also there is a speed restriction not that will bother you in the unimog.

peter henry

shaggy · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject:

Chris - did you really mean LGV test? that'd make my life easier (or am I remembering that no LGV place can deal with the wheel size?)

We ran as a recovery truck for a while, the exemptions say (in 2006) a recovery vehicle is basically something made only to lift and drag vehicles that can serve no other purpose.

An agricultural vehicle is something adapted to agriculture _and_ used only for the that purpose.

It's funny they only make the distinction about use for the tractor - with a farm, you might get away with it. It's the "only" bit you might have a problem with.

jim

Moggy · Guest

Jim, your's is registered as an HGV isn't it? Do you have an HGV licence then? Does that still need an MOT (assuming it was first used after 1960)?

I downloaded the V112G form from the DVLA - Goods Vehicle Testing - Declaration of Exemption and it's quite clear that BNreakdown vehicles are exempt and apparently without any conditions...? It doesn't have the "designed and used solely for" caveat that most of the other exemptions state.

Another exemption is:

Dual Purpose Vehicles not constructed or adapted to form part of an agricultural vehicle.

Now THAT's interesting, surely a Unimog is the ultimate dual purpose vehicle? Dual purposes could be: LGV, snowplough, recovery vehcile (with a winch). Install a PTO and there's surely no doubt it's dual purpose...?

Cheers,
iain

shaggy · Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject:

> your's is registered as an HGV isn't it? Do you have an HGV licence then?
I passed my test before 1996 so I have 7.5 tonner for free. I also have a bike licence which pads it out yet further.

>Does that still need an MOT (assuming it was first used after 1960)?
Yeah, it was made on Jan 19th, 1961! But another subtlety of the MOT regs is that if you go without a test on age grounds, you have to travel unladen.

jim

Moggy · Guest

Unladen eh? Hmm, that's dodgy ground. And typically, I bet there's no definition of unladen. Is a vehicle laden when you put your sandwiches in it? Confused

shaggy · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject:

There may not be a definition of "unladen", but stick something on the back and they'll soon find a definition of "laden"!

jim

chris_moulding · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

Yes, it was LGV test.

They are also bringing in testing and tachographs for recovery vehicles and at some point agricultural vehicles. I think the 100 km restriction was for contractors forestry vehicles.

I read all this in a recent copy of Commercial Motor. The trouble is we've just moved house and I can't find the magazine!

dippyhull · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject:

Would be VERY interested to know if Tachos will be needed (now or in the future) for PHGV class <7.5t though - anyone got any links to that sort of thing... ?