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Front suspension lift?

 
 
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nivapaul
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Front suspension lift? Reply with quote

Has anyone seen one that gives more than 2".

Saw this one but a lot of work.
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Alejoint
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the brazilian JR 4x4 kit. It's a hell of a lot of work like you said, but this particular design allows to keep the stock geometry.

Have you considered giving your Niva the Hoodoo treatment???

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alejandro,
Paul's already got it lifted! I think the main problem would be the drive shafts. Stopping them pulling out or fouling the lower arm. And then there's the arms themselves; they would start adopting some crazy down angles! Chassis is also in the way!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Height problems? Take a look to:

http://foros.4x4.nu/Lada/1536_Niva_diesel_evo_1.html

A Spain Niva Club owner.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow
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Alejoint
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, this is insane...

I recall seeing a couple videos of Brakesun's white Niva on YouTube, I was amazed at that time but this... This is simply too much.

Hoodoo;
Sorry, I didn't know Paul's Niva was already lifted. Going higher than 2" using your setup is asking for trouble, specially if you live in South America. Niva CV joints are very scarce around here, and if you manage to find whole shafts the tag price is way over the total amount I paid for the car (brand new, BTW) in October 1991.

Damn mugging politicians...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kgelling wrote:
Height problems? Take a look to:

http://foros.4x4.nu/Lada/1536_Niva_diesel_evo_1.html

A Spain Niva Club owner.

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that is an extreme one.
wonder why there is a roofrack? How do you get there Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily it's got a Diesel engine, can't imagine using a ladder to change the spark plugs! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all, I'm new to the forums. Anyway, I am also very interested in lifting my Lada by a fair bit because I do some pretty extreme 4wding. I am very interested in getting a lift because I want to make my car much more capable and show everyone in the 4wd club I am in what the Niva can do.

I have been searching for a long time for kits that give more than about 2 inches of lift, but haven't been able to find much. I have also heard that it is possible to do a body lift, but I'm not sure exactly how because the Niva has a monocoque chassis, and from looking at it it looks like custom brackets and stuff would be required.

Has anyone got any more info on the kit from Brazil? Is the work that is required fabrication work, or just disassembly and reassembly with replacement components of the suspension? Does anyone know where I could get the kit from or how much it would cost? I tried searching for it, but couldn't find any info.

Any info would be great

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Graeme
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind that the amount of ground clearance you get depends ENTIRELY on the diameter of your tyres. The lowest part of the vehicle is always under the rear axle differential.
In my experience, a lift of about 2", coupled with 205/16, 600/16, or 215/15 tyres gives you approx, 10.5" under the rear diff, and 12.5" under the front crossmember, and a Niva that will upset vastly more expensive and larger machinery. Remember that almost everything else has to be modified to match a standard Niva for clearance.
You also retain the reliability that they lose, and the ability to use standard parts.
There really is no need to go overboard on the Niva to improve it dramatically, as I'm sure other Aussies on this forum will explain!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Brazilian kit appears to have extra bracketry welded on to the underside of the frame rails. Along with a rather enormous "strut" to the upper arm.



Certainly has started the gears grinding up in the old cranium tho.... Twisted Evil Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just floor it and hope for the best ... seems to work Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirill83 wrote:
I just floor it and hope for the best ... seems to work Smile


Ha ha, you haven't seen me in action have you? That is exactly what I have been doing. I have only been out a few times, and so far I have bent the steering idler arm, smashed the steering box, broken the rubber doughnut (although it was damaged already and running crooked), and ripped half the exhaust off while climbing a hill. I have driven it home everytime, once with half a turn of freeplay in the steering because of the broken steering box, and once with 20 degrees of toe out in the steering because of the bent idler arm. I even drove it home with the rubber doughnut completely broken and the transfer case vibrating all over the place, and jumping out of gear and everything because the tailshaft was moving about.

This is mainly why I want to lift it. The other alternative that I am considering would be 2" lift and larger tyres, then just cut the guards until they fit, similar to this one: http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/ladanivareadersrides/ig/Lada-Niva---Photo-Gallery/1986-Lada-Niva.htm


I'm not really worried about driveability or legality or anything either, because the lada is just a toy for the weekends at the moment, and it only cost $700 Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About three years ago I sent JR 4x4 an e-mail requesting more info about the kit. They sent me a Word file with pictures and price info, but I managed to get it lost somewhere in time Crying or Very sad .

It's a 100% bolt-on thing, which means you can remove it any time and end up with a stock car again, no welding, no drilling, no nothing!. Kit comes with (two of each) x-member, front sway bar and front diff lowering brackets, upper ball joint spacers, a rear sway bar repositioning bracket, a set of two Heim-jointed rear axle long arms (links???) and four coil springs, all with your choice of 2", 4" or 6" of total lift. A very popular project in Brazil is the VW AP 1.8/2.0 engine swap, so they even build a set of engine brackets specifically designed for working with their lowering x-member brackets.

Cost installed -without shocks- was 1300 USD. A bit pricey, but you get what you pay for.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats that in ££££.??
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not totally accurate, but about £700 to £800. Then you've got carriage, duties etc!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is an old topic but does anyone have a copy of the word doc or know how to get in contact with JR4x4? Interested in making my own but would like to have a look over the doc first
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