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Opinions on farm jacks?

 
 
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michael_1
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Opinions on farm jacks? Reply with quote

Hi, does anyone use a Clark farm jack from Machine Mart? I need to get a jack for my Jimny and wondered what would be best. I saw the Clark one in a Machine Mart catalogue at a good price (£42) but wondered if anyone could give me any info on it before I go ahead - I don't mind paying a bit more if another type is better. All information gratefully received! Thanks Mick
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silver zuk
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

personal don't like high lift /farm jacks not the safest of things see a bloke cop one in the face when it slipped not nice
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine's just for show, I will probably never use it.

I have tried it out and going up is OK but lowering is bloody dangerous Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would shop around, i've seen them for 30, can't think where though.


They are fine so long as you remember that your lifting the car on a 4ft pole with no sideways support so if you don't put it in the right place it will just fall over.
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Nathaniel
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one?
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/detai...ransmission-jacks


Why not spend a cuple of extra pounds and buy a REAL Hi-Lift?
Can you put a price on safety?

http://www.famousfour.co.uk/foursport/hilift.php

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one used it once never again, it wobbles all over the place.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got a Jack All.. ( Canadian )

As Nat Says really your better off buying a geniune HiLift..

They are great tools and I use mine all the time...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Farm jacks Reply with quote

So guys, do you think a "high lift" trolley jack is a safer and better option for changing wheels ie for changing the ATs to muds etc. or for punctures? cos I've got a 3" spring lift and the normal Jimny jack just doesn't lift high enough. mick.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you use a high lift correctly it is safe,as with anything read the instructions if you don,t know.they are very versatile,can be used as a winch or for spreading,you would struggle to fit a trolley jack in your truck for off roading,as nat & allan said spend a little more & get the real thing.
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Nathaniel
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used correctly a Hi-lift jack is an awesome bit of kit, Yes they are Dangerous but so are cars, winches and dogs...!

Mine has got me out of trouble so many times, As said it can be used to lift, squeeze or winch...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your info - I'll get a HiLift and read up on web articles etc on use. I'll practice before I need to use it for real!! Thanks again everyone - Mick
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jon.g1
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a similar unbranded one, cost £35 new, i think it's an awesome bit of kit! but you have to remember like many forms of recovery equipment if NOT used correctly or using common sense they can be extremely DANGEROUS AND CAN KILL!!

I'm not trying to discourage you, it's just like a car, in the wrong hands it can kill. if it's only for changing wheels I'd use a trolley jack, there a lot safer, but a trolley jack is useless in a muddy greenlane.. if you do intend to use one offroad, made sure you have a proper base plate, it's to spread the load to stop it sinking, but it's not going to stop it sliding if you jack it in a stupid place like on a slope. these bases are available from any hi-lift supplier.

to be honest, my unbranded one works fine, but quality of mech's aren't brilliant, for what they cost when i have some spare cash I'll pick up a proper hi-lift there only about £50.

sorry if a bit blunt, but no one had pointed out the dangers. i feel that it's better to know what dangers are there and be aware of them, then to use one thinking it'll be fine.

just my 2c worth

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Luke Bailey
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

high lifts are fine great bit of kit

farm jack? welll mine says it all


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jon.g1
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bl**dy hell, what you use that for??, i do wonder if the farm jacks have shear pins like the hi-lifts they copy??

i must admit, I've noticed mine does flex a bit.. once i have the spare cash I'll go n grab a hi-lift, just a pain because no one around here sells them, so postage isn't going to be cheep, might poss have to make a venture to Devon4x4

oh, and i forgot to mention before, under NO circumstances put your head between the upright and the jack handle, especially when lowering, because YOU are holding the weight down on the handle as you bring it back up!!

and also if you try it out with out a load, when you more the lever to the lower position the jack will fall!!, this is because it requires 150kg i think (someone correct me if wrong) of weight on the jack for the lowering mech to work also keep feet clear as jack will fall once suspension has taken the weight.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

make sure your hands are not covered in oil, mine slipped out of my hand whilst lowering a dishitsu. 6 stiches later was ok. Shocked
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sae70
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmmmmmmm........!

Think I will stick with my hi lift trolley jack and piece of 3/4" marine ply!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My fault really as I was not paying enough attention. but hey we all learn by our mistakes. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would only go for a 'hi-lift' (haven't ever used a Jackall so can't comment on that one though) I never have a problem with mine, however my mate has a Tmax one (I think) and even though its kept well greased, every time it sees a bit of mud it refuses to lower and gets jammed, (not too good when your trying to lower a r**ge r**er)
Oh yeah never have your hand in between the handle and upright too! it hurts!
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Brettyboy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've just bought a genuine Hi Lift jack off ebay brand new arrived quickly
from Paddock Spares http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-foot-HI-LIFT-JACK-Made-...dZ1QQcmdZViewItem this is for a 5 ft,i bought a 4 ft that they sell for the same price.

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gords1001
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use my hi lift whenever i have to get the jeep into the garage, its the easiest way to put the dropped rear shackles on to get the thing in, i think i paid 65 quid with postage off ebay and its a genuine hi lift. just like anything, treat it with respect you'll be ok, abuse it and it will fail and bite you in the ****, i'd get a handle keeper off kr9dj and i fitted mine inside rather than on the back where it can get covered in mud and caught on trees. very usefull bit of kit as far as i'm concerned.
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gacke
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Opinions on farm jacks? Reply with quote

hi,i've got a jackall jack and dont have a bad word to say about it.its very strong/sturdy and doesnt flex.the mechanism is all good but they do need to be well lubricated!

i've used mine to change wheels,lift me out of holes, ruts,mud etc.

my mate carries one too and as i've reinforced my sills on the sj i can put a jack each side and lift either the front or rear right in the air.
they can easily tip over so you need to be carefull.

a good point though, if your stuck in an awkward position/place on say a tree stump or in a rut you can jack your jeep up, make sure everyones clear and give ur truck a quick push to the side (pushing it off the jack) and hey presto your out of the rut or mud and on solid ground ready to try it again!

you just need to use your head to see if what your about to do will cause injury or damage to you or your truck

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Rob110
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, i would say buy a real one, still prefer a trolley jack for working on it at home but for use out and about they are great.

Some of the cheap ones I've seen are shocking, i mean really dangerous. used a mates cheap yellow one and picked it up fine, (rear spring had come out as i had totaled the rear trailing arms) but going down it just dropped it. bang, axle on the chassis, fuel tank on the floor. piece of *****.

buy a real one

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well thanks guys for all your input and gruesome photo Shocked You can never be too careful with this sort of stuff as you all rightly point out. Think I'll go for the genuine Hi-Lift anyway. I'll practice at home in the drive until I have to use it for real Exclamation Mick
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Damian
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my Hi Lift nearly 20 years ago, I haven't used it much, but the times I have, it was a life saver!
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suzuki_mad
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i bought a farm jack type thing off eBay and although its good the mechanism can be a bit dodgy sometimes and when i get some spare cash I'm going to go buy a genuine hi-lift.

moral of the story buy cheap buy twice!

Phil
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other important thing is.....

You need suitable points on your car to be able to use it..

No good trying to jack up the family estate with one!! Shocked

Buy or build DECENT jack points on the front and rear of your truck..

I designed my truck so that I can use the hi lift ANYWHERE around the edge of the truck.

Some use Hi Lifts for changing wheels. This is fine.. but if ya have UBER flex you have to lift the truck 4 ft just to get the wheel off the ground.. lol

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suzuki_mad
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that was the whole reason i bought my jack so i could get the back wheels of the vit of he ground to change the wheels. towbars are decent jacking points on the back.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unlucky there Phil, i also had a whack from a highlift handle whilst Quickly lowering my truck down in the dark in the Rain, i should have taken more time, almost knocked me out. again, my fault for rushing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sorry for bump an old topic I just have a few interesting observations from personal experience, maybe someone will need this information in the future.If you look and compare the working bits of a farm jack with the HI lift, you can see the quality. All Hi Lift moving parts are servicable. The Farm jack has been known to bend under heavy pressure,
The Hi lift has an assortment of accessories that can be used with it.
The use of the jack is pretty simple and uncomplicated if you follow the guide lines.
Never stand in front of the handle. Do all your work from the sides.
Put a brick or something behind the wheel in case of moving backwards.
Its a good idea to have Hi lift jack points forward and rear of the vehicle.
Your vehicle will shift to the side if you lift a vehicle that is standing at an angle. You have to compensate
for this.
I have used this jack to lift my vehicle out of a hole, put a rock in the hole and drive out.
You look after your jack, it will look after you.
I have used mine for compressing a door, you can also get a winch adaptor Kit and a wheel kit.
I had rockslider lifterssome https://mechanicguides.com/best-farm-jacks/ time ago of but disappeared. I am looking again, might have to import.
See pic below. I found this on the net. This is what works well , provided your slider doesnt bend

There is a safety video, it appears to be from the manufacturer. It has been watched 300,000 times in the last 9 years....I wonder how many HiLift Jacks have been sold in that time?
https://youtu.be/MrfbR4REV-s
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