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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:38 pm    Post subject: Middle lane on the motorway... Reply with quote

Well - back home safely and pizza dough proving after a 500+ mile round trip to Manchester airport to collect eldest from her American adventure.

However...make sitting in the middle lane of a motorway at 60mph (esp you lot (amongst the many other offenders) in your speed limited vans and, oh yes, I have your companies' numbers) a capital offence or change the law so undertaking is allowed.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come across it all the time. Used to do over 50k a year up and down the M1, I just go on the inside now.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone in front of you in the middle lane is tootling along at 60 why not over take in the outside lane? Or are you one of those drivers that are scared of using it, beleiving the myth that it's only to be used by BMW and Audi drivers?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xpajun wrote:
If someone in front of you in the middle lane is tootling along at 60 why not over take in the outside lane? Or are you one of those drivers that are scared of using it, beleiving the myth that it's only to be used by BMW and Audi drivers?


Nope.

But why should I have to when they are in the wrong and it's causing the whole traffic flow to slowdown? Very inconsiderate.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nightbar wrote:
Xpajun wrote:
If someone in front of you in the middle lane is tootling along at 60 why not over take in the outside lane? Or are you one of those drivers that are scared of using it, beleiving the myth that it's only to be used by BMW and Audi drivers?


Nope.

But why should I have to when they are in the wrong and it's causing the whole traffic flow to slowdown? Very inconsiderate.


But by staying in the middle lane at 60 mph when you can overtake in the outside lane you are no better than the driver in front of you!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say I didn't only that it was rather annoying. Do keep up at the back Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annoys the heck out of me along with many other things that drivers do due to a complete lack of awareness of anything beyond the ipod controls. I used to love driving at times completing 1000 mile trips in a day but now I dread the idea of travelling and often pick a route based on what I think will be quietest rather than what's quickest just to try avoid the idiots.

How do you teach someone to think? I'm starting to see the appeal of driverless cars Sad

I would legalise undertaking, seems to work in America. I go on a 2 lane motorway most days and your usually stuck behind someone doing 60 who doesn't want to pull in as there's a lorry 300 yards ahead and they don't want to get stuck in the inside lane. If your allowed to undertake you make the decision whether your going to go fast enough to get across and back before they reach the lorry. The guy sat in front of you can't predict that but they can cruise along at 60 without having to think about anything but staying between the lines.

Alternatively reduce the population of the country... Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Malta you're technically not allowed to undertake but so many people do it anyway its not really frowned upon by other drivers.
They usually expect you to do it!

It's good because there are plenty of clueless people driving about at 40kph without a clue

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I have cruise set to 70mph, I don't see why I should go from lane 1 to 3 and back to 1 because someone isn't paying attention. (It is strange they wake up enough to see you going past and give a dirty look?). As stated by others, there are many things to get annoyed about on our roads, but it helps to get it off your chest once in a while!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem arises when you do something that the other person REALLY doesn't expect. Their reaction may be excessive, or more likely, they could suddenly decide to move left and not look to see if you are doing something stupid like undertaking.

Why is it unsafe here but safe elsewhere? Only because its not the rules but having to make 4 lane changes rather than 2 for the sole reason that someone else is lacking in attention is not good either.

I do a lot of motorway driving pulling a big, heavy trailer and when I catch a middle lane hogger (especially on the 4 lane sections in the 'Manchester/Liverpool corridor') and I cannot go into the outside lane then I can either break a different rule by undertaking, or sit at whatever speed the fanny is driving at and hold everyone else up as well.

What bugs me more is the way people overtake me on the motorway (whatever speed I'm doing) and pull in front at parking distance ....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RichardD wrote:
The problem arises when you do something that the other person REALLY doesn't expect. Their reaction may be excessive, or more likely, they could suddenly decide to move left and not look to see if you are doing something stupid like undertaking.


...and it is their own stupidity and ignorance that they caused that situation and messing up the traffic flow for everyone else - but of course they wouldn't see it that way or understand what they've doe wrong.

I really feel for the truck drivers as it's bad enough maintaining momentum when I'm towing fully laden in the 90.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

According to the Highway Code, if the inner line of traffic is moving faster than the outer line, it may pass on the inside.

What you can't do is to swing into the inner lane, pass the slower car, then swing out again. That isn't passing, it's overtaking.

Hopefully, I have posted a picture of my wife's SAAB that was overtaken (legitimately) by a curtain-sider on the M4 one wet and windy morning. She was doing 50mph at the time. Opened up by the tail-lift, took out her fuse box, lost her lights. She chased it, phoned me with the registration number.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try again

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh ... forget it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The really annoying ones when yor lorry driving are the ones say in the inside lane at 50, you get most of the way past then they end their phone call, realise they've slowed down and speed off. You pull in then get a torrent of abuse off the cars behind you for holding them up for no reason because you haven't passed anyone :/

The other great one is the ones joining the motorway at 45 who don't look until they're at thr white line then blame you for not parting the waters for them so they can just drift on without a thought.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I struggled with photobucket.

Damaged caused by an undertaking tail-gate on supermarket artic.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

You should have a two second gap between you and the car in front. And when you pull in, you should leave a two second gap between you and the car behind ... else the car behind has to slow down.

At 60mph you are doing 88 ft/sec ... add the length of your rig and call it 150 yards of gap before it is safe to pull in ... Officer.

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