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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:03 pm    Post subject: very bad news if this goes through Reply with quote

just been sent this by the acu:-
22nd December 2016

For Immediate Release

Joint statement from the Motorcycle Industry Association (MCIA), the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) and the Amateur Motor Cycle Association (AMCA)

British motorsport could end due to EU ruling

The outcome of a government consultation on a piece of EU insurance legislation could end motorsport in the UK.

Yesterday, the Government issued a document for public consultation, which gives an option of implementing the European Court decision known as the ‘Vnuk judgment’. The ruling makes it compulsory for anyone using any form of motorised transport to have third party damage and injury insurance. This will affect all participants in all forms of motorsport.

The insurance industry has made it clear to government that third party risks for motorsport activities are uninsurable, not least because of the sheer number of potential vehicle damage claims that would arise. Therefore, if implemented, the Vnuk judgment would wipe out all legal motor and motorcycle sport activity.

In the UK, the motorsport industry employs over 50,000 people, generates a total of £11 billion of sales each year and is backed up by a world-leading high performance engineering industry.

Motorcycle competition is a popular UK Sport and generates much needed income in rural areas, with over 1.9 million spectators watching around 58,000 riders attend an average of over 4000 off-road and track events each year. These range from junior motocross to the British Superbikes, which would all end without the required insurance under the ECJ ruling.*

MCIA, ACU and AMCA call on the government to exempt motor and motorcycle sport from any changes to insurance law which arise from the ECJ judgment. While the UK remains in the EU, even a temporary implementation of the ruling, as suggested by the Department for Transport in its consultation document, would be fatally damaging to what is an important industry and net contributor to the UK economy.

Speaking for the ACU, AMCA and MCIA, Steve Kenward, CEO of MCIA says:

“At a stroke, this would wipe out a successful industry and all the jobs that go with it, as well as eliminating a popular leisure pursuit for 1.9 million people, along with the boost that this gives to both local and national economies.

“If the Government implements the Vnuk judgment un-amended, British motorcycle sport would end in the UK. Given that we are coming out of the EU, we are astonished that the Government is even considering an option to implement Vnuk. We call on Ministers to end uncertainty and put a stop to Vnuk in the UK.”

Background:

The Vnuk judgment imposes compulsory third party injury and damage insurance to all vehicles of any kind when used on any type of land. As well as affecting all motorsport vehicles, it could affect electric bicycles, sit-on lawnmowers, SPAM buggies, mobility scooters and even uninsured vehicles parked on private property under the Statutory Off-Road Notification scheme. The ruling stems from a case involving a Slovenian farm worker, who was hurt falling from a ladder, which was hit by a reversing tractor.

ENDS

Notes

· You can read the consultation document here: https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/moto...the-vnuk-judgment

· The original judgement arises from Damijan Vnuk v Zavarovalnica Triglav C-162/13. See: http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?num=C-162/13&language=EN

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the reason behind it but I think taking away someone's ability to legally and safely let out their SPAM (or whatever the female equivalent is ) will lead to more people road racing. I've always said they should make opportunities for boy racers / bikers etc to he silly so that you can say here be silly, on road be sensible and come down on them harder for being silly on road and things like this just make it less likely.

That said if it's an EU legislation...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottom line is that because an insurance company (in Sweden I think) refused to pay out for a vehicle related accident (tractor on private land) that the eu is imposing compulsory 3rd party insurance for all motorised vehicles. It has already been passed as an eu law. The UK is now bound to apply it.

This means that SORN may well be no longer be valid as the vehicle sat immobile on your driveway will now need to be insured. And we know that insurance requires testing etc. So bye bye long term rebuilds etc. Effective date for implementation is Apr 17.

oh yes - the press also say it will affect SPAM carts and ride on mowers but I expect that that will be exempted - but SORN? we are a small voice and likely to be passed by.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: very bad news if this goes through Reply with quote

Bloke falls off ladder in Slovenia, so people in England have to insure their lawn mowers.

Nice one EU. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The classic car clubs were fighting the sorn thing a few years ago as the government were trying to impose compulsory insurance then. The compromise would be to offer laid up policies that insure for 3rd party damage providing it's not being driven with your permission.

The alternative would be to stop insuring possessions individually and just insure people based on things like how much common sense they have Smile

The trouble with the EU is that countries like France just ignore silly rules and no one really cares. If the British don't follow it to the letter we go and bang on the door, tell Brussels were not doing it then vote to fine ourselves.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as an aside this would include gocarts and minioto I guess. (Kind of obvious) But would also cover my mini-rat-bike project. The honest question is; 'what's the fine for not having insurance?' Because insuring a home build with a generator engine in it isn't going to happen on many levels.
Still, if it is EU law then the UK signed up originally in a particular way that makes it a requirement to implement it in a way that Other EU countries don't have to.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What gets me about this and other new EU rulings is why organisations in the UK getting so worked up about them?
On June 23 last year this country voted to leave the EU, therefore no new EU regulations should apply to us nor be incorporated into British law!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more bad news to throw at us
http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/east-devon-man-di...detail/story.html
in fact it was the exeter trial and not a race, not in a 4x4 either, but sad as it could have an impact on us all off roaders

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We haven't left the EU yet, we are still a full member and have to abide by the regulations until we leave.

The biggest problem with Britain and the EU is a new regulation comes in, the French ignore it and noone cares, the Germans release a national amendment that suits what they do anyway, the British go and knock on the door at Brussels, tell them we're not doing it and ask to be fined, pay a load of consultants to look into it then, following their advice which isn't in their interest to suggest anything that isn't belt and braces, implement the most complicated over the top cover every bases solution possible.

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