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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both have good reviews. It only depend on the person that use it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I have bought a ranger and am so far impressed!

No real issues with her, other than the glow plugs light seems to flash in a set on.. off.. on.. off.. pattern. I'm not sure if its the engine reaching operating temperature causing it or revving to 2500rpm.

She starts fine and does not smoke, but does seem sluggish - which I know could be the fact its not a powerfup engine anyway. Any ideas on what this may be?

I'm going to do a full service in the next few days.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should add I have just noticed it flash even though the temperature was not at operating neither did I rev over 2.5k.

The flash is exactly a second on and a second off.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suggestion:

You are in limp mode and the flashing is the code for the fault?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did wonder that, it's not horrificly slow and may just be that I'm used to a pd130 vw bora. It will get its way up to 60mph, so I question weather it's in limp mode or not. It does have a really hard time getting beyond 60 though, is that reasonable for a Ranger?

However it is slower than I thought it needs to be and of course the flashing light must mean something.

Is there a way to tell if she's in limp mode?

I remember the seller mentioned something about the earth, how do I check that?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not right, even my mk1 would happily cruise at 60 towing a land rover on a trailer... until the fuel pump went, then it used to struggle to drag itself to 60+

Which version ranger do you have? I don't know what the fault codes are on the rangers but if it has an odb port a code scan might be worthwhile by someone that can interpret it.

There are lots of earths on a car any idea to which the guy is referring? I would imagine the heater plugs earth through the block which must be earthed if it's turning over?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a late 2003 ranger, the one with bigger headlights if that makes sense. It does have a diagnostic port in the engine bay behind the nearside headlight.

I will message the guy to try and find out if he knows what earth it is. There is also one of those parrot hands free kits fitted so wonder if that's causing issues?

Update: messaged the guy and he said he would guess somewhere on the plugs but not sure where it leads too. I literally have next to no experience with diesel engines and don't really even know where the glow plugs are. I would guess somewhere near where a spark plug would be on a petrol engine, not sure if it's on inlet or exhaust side though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humm that's odd

Yours is a mk2 there won't be much wrong with it mine pulls OK through to 60-70 mph then still pulls but not as hard until over 90 mph (let's add on private land here)

Flashing glow plug lights mean something but I can't remember what I will have a dig and see what I can find

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mowgli wrote:
Ok I have bought a ranger and am so far impressed!

No real issues with her, other than the glow plugs light seems to flash in a set on.. off.. on.. off.. pattern. I'm not sure if its the engine reaching operating temperature causing it or revving to 2500rpm.

She starts fine and does not smoke, but does seem sluggish - which I know could be the fact its not a powerfup engine anyway. Any ideas on what this may be?

I'm going to do a full service in the next few days.


You want to to go on www.fordrangerforum.com it's quite common, it could be as easy as a fuel filter.There are stories of needing to replace EGR valves, sticking turbo vanes,injectors and the such like so worth a read.
One of the fault codes is P0251
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I shall check that site out when I get home. If its the one I think it is, it's a US site so as far as I know the US ranger is different to ours? I have a new filter a plugs to fit which I will do this Thursday, also an oil change but will probably blank the EGR before that just to keep it fresher. I geard the EGR can add to the filth and blackness of the oil...

Pete- I would need a lot of private land and a lot of wind behind me to get over 70 Embarassed Would appreciate it if you can find anything though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh, with a .com it's likely to be stateside Sad nut type in Glow Plug Light Flashing Ford Ranger that will keep you busy for a while.What is said is after you replace the fuel filter cut the old one in half if it full of a metal type of dust it could lead to a strip and clean down of injectors, fuel pipes and the tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch that sounds bad...

I have just filmed a run whilst she is at operating temperature. The video is currently uploading to YouTube so once that's done I shall post a link if you guys would be good enough to view it.

Whilst having a general look around the engine bay I noticed on what I guess is an inlet hose an egr looking thing. I guess it's not the egr as that is next to it with seperate hoses. When the engine is off it is free to move, but with the engine running it will either open or close (not sure what) when the revs are above idle. Even so when revved to around 3.5k and then let off, it will stay either open or closed until idle is resumed. What is this thing??

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok here is a link to the video, please check it out and tell me what you think.

https://youtu.be/KM0LOGZhQhA

Also looking at the torsion bars, Pete mentioned a 17/19mm bolt? I have checked the ends closest to the rear of the truck and can only think they are the ones that are off to the side of the bars, near where they slot in to the body. The actual back of the bars has a 'no entry sign' type of thing...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look up ford ranger forum UK on face book

Seems the glow plug lights flash as an engine management light and it will need to be plugged in

There is a way to count the number of flashes if pin 10 is short circuit to ground on the terminal but the number of flashes adds to a number and the numbers make up the code.... bit over complicated for me lol

Speed sensor for the diesel pump seems a common cause and would explain the slight lack of power

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I gathered it must be a signal of some sort. I will check the Facebook page out though, thanks!

Whilst poking things around earlier I realized the primer on top of the fuel filter could be pumped around 10 times before it became stiff - I guess signalling it was fully pressured. Maybe it was placebo, but it did seem to pull a little better after. About 4 miles later at the fuel station I checked it again and could easily pump the primer again. I wonder if it is a fuelling problem.

As for the diesel speed sensor, do you know where it is and how do I replace it?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not familiar with the sensor unfortunately but the Facebook page is full of very helpful guys so worth a punt

Never looked at my primer pump so couldn't say if it was normal or not but I would guess that a lack of fuel pressure might cause a fault

All we can do is guess really and attempt to remedy but getting the codes read will answer all the questions

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My isuzu is sensitive to the fuel filter condition. I get a warning light telling me it needs changing and if you ignore it it gradually loses power. For what a filter costs I guess no reason not to change it if your servicing it. Make sure you bleed it etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, must have written a reply and forgot to post!

I have been added to the Facebook page and posted on there literally just so lets hope for some more good advice Smile

I will replace the fuel filter tomorrow and see if that helps things.

I plan to have the code read, I think my dad may actually have a reader at home so will find out. Meanwhile I'll keep you posted, any ideas or advice welcome! Cheers
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok having gone to replace the fuel filter today I discovered the supplied fuel filter was infact an oil filter - so that didn't work out so well.

I decided to have a general look around the engine bay again and noticed the turbo wastegate doesn't move all that much when revved to around 3/4k. So sprayed a little wd40 on it and still no real change. Weather that's normal I don't know. I disconnected the battery for about an hour also to see if that changed anything, but did not - except my clock...

I also disconnected the exhaust from before the cat incase something was blocked and was restrictive but again no real change.

I'm gonna take her to a garage Saturday (hopefully) as I didn't get a chance today. Will get it plugged in and see what they say. Here is a video of it revving freelyhttps://youtu.be/n8PVbZacIug notice how there is quite a change in how responsive it is after 3k.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P0251 is one of the codes.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cool, and do you know what code that flashes as? The glow plug light flashs for one second on one second off without it being connected to a diagnostic thing...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P0251 is low pressure output from the pump.
I suggest you type the code into your computer search engine as the fault code covers the Focus and the Mondeo, and doesn't just cover the pump it covers injectors etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Literally just googled it and yes you are right.

So it's likely to be the pump would you say? I know they are pricey, but in terms of fitting is it much of a job?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to a few people on the internet with mondeos it could be a fuel meter valve. That sounds less expensive and maybe easier to fit than a pump...

I'm off to a garage Monday and they are gonna read the fault, then I guess I can go from there.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is the pump they can usually be reconditioned or you can do an exchange to get the price down.

I don't know if they are coded to the ecu on that engine, sometimes you can fit it yourself but have to get a garage to make them talk.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mowgli wrote:
Literally just googled it and yes you are right.

So it's likely to be the pump would you say? I know they are pricey, but in terms of fitting is it much of a job?



You need to see what fault comes up against the code first and then work out what to do next.
Did you buy the vehicle with a fault? or did the guy before have the fault cleared so it wouldn't show until you had driven it for a while?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanks, I agree the thing needs to be read first.

I bought it as 'perfect', and on the test drive I questioned the glow plug light flashing and the guy told me he had been told it was a 'bad earth'. I had no reason to disbelieve him, and I knew a parrot hands free kit had been wired in so thought it may be linked.

I thought the truck seemed a little sluggish but as its the first I had driven I thought it was just down to what it was. As far as I know he had no codes cleared etc.

Once she has been read it will help point us the right way. I think it may be a fueling issue, even though she actually runs very smooth with no smoke or rough idle - literally just feels like she has no torque or power.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I have had the truck diagnostic read earlier today. The code P1312 was displayed, and relates to the 'injection pump timing actuator'.

Anyone know what this means I need to do to sort it?
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