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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:40 pm Post subject:
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a bit of both to be honest.
the chassis is built to withstand certain stresses.
when you lift it 8-10 inches its not designed to take them stresses.
i know someone else and it happened to them in the same place.
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RichMayo Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Odometer: 413 Location: Yate
1997 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:50 am Post subject:
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were they running similar lift or closer to standard?
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:34 am Post subject:
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+6"
at around 2 or 3" its fine.
mine had not a bit of rot, but it was a clean metal break.
where the steering assembly attaches to the right chassis leg.
but then +8 springs are not the norm.
speak to Dave at LLama 4x4 if you get an xj.
he`ll steer you right.
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chicken drumstick Winch Assistant
Joined: 29 May 2012 Odometer: 83 Location: Near MK
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:12 am Post subject:
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might want to head over to Jeepforum.com and Pirate4x4.com for info on Jeeps.
******** is a more local forum with good info too.
Plating an XJ is the way to go, just hit Google and you'll get loads of hits.
When there is no shortage of guys doing this kind of stuff in XJ's, there is also no shortage in good info & knowledge.
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
Joined: 18 Jun 2014 Odometer: 2039 Location: Scouser
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:16 am Post subject:
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yup..
but they are LHD cherokee`s.
try doing that to a rhd one....
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chicken drumstick Winch Assistant
Joined: 29 May 2012 Odometer: 83 Location: Near MK
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:16 am Post subject:
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What with a RHD prevents those exact things??
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RichMayo Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Odometer: 413 Location: Yate
1997 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:44 am Post subject:
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They do look impressive. Have looked through those other forums a few times - always end up jealous of the owners on Pirate4x4!!!
By the time an XJ is plated I'm thinking some of the weight advantage is lost.
Going back to original bit of thread my current thoughts are around:
Plan GVit
- I've just acquired a steel axle and set of front shafts (its like ive subconsciously started collecting bits for it!)
- Transferrable knowledge due to already having one and having played with a vitara
- Could turn into a lot of work, but potentially biggest gains over standard (=satisfaction?)
- Could end up with something quite unique out of this, and there's not a lot around running high level of modification
Plan Patrol Y60
- Could be a pain to find the right vehicle - but contributes to uniqueness factor
- Could be a pain to find parts - but on the other hand known to be tough
- Very capable out of the box
- Suspension and cage/body mods mostly but been reading on MWB conversions so does have "head room" for more work
- Some level of knowledge transfer as I've got some experience already owning one
Plan XJ
- Easier to source than the patrol ( possibly even than the Gvit I'd be after )
- Very capable out of the box
- Engine appeals to me
- Did occur to me that I could get one of these as towing vehicle and start doing work to the patrol I've already got...if I get along with the auto it could be next project along...
- Any bought mods I think are going to be easier to source than the patrol. Thinking gearing, suspension, lockers etc.
Think I've written off idea of an SJ as I think for the effort involved I could probably do the work to the vitara. I do like them and if one crops up for the right price might have a go - but I don't really think I want to do one as a project.
I think it might come down to what base vehicle I can find at the time for what price and what distance.
Thanks a lot for all the input. I might try on the Shropshire Suzuki site to find out some more details on what folks have done with the Gvits. I was kind of hoping for someone to go - wouldn't recommend that because of blah or blah. But I'm not hearing that right now - on the Y60 or the Gvit... you know make it easy for me to eliminate one of them
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:27 pm Post subject:
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chicken drumstick wrote: | What with a RHD prevents those exact things?? |
apart from the steering, the axle and the diff?
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chicken drumstick Winch Assistant
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:00 pm Post subject:
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Not sure I follow. The diff and axle don't care where the steering wheel is.
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:05 pm Post subject:
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the Kits are all For LHD
the LHD version doesnt cross the diff.
the RHD does.
none of the kits fit.
you cant bend the tubes around the diff as you are introducing a weak point.
ask me how i know.....
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RichMayo Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Odometer: 413 Location: Yate
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:54 pm Post subject:
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hmm, had a quick google. Kind of defeats part of my easier to source mods point under XJ's. Is it really none of the kits fit - all need modification for RHD? Or is it just the more extreme kits? You mentioned before you'd do a 2" lift and 31's before. Is the 2" bit of that because you can get away with just doing the springs/shocks?
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:00 pm Post subject:
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anything up to 4" and you can get away with it.
personally, i wouldnt do more than 2" as i would also use it as a daily driver.
but thats personally.
but then ive been there and got the magazine article.
here is as pic of my old jeep that i dont have any more and isnt mine to satisfy my pet stalker
and just so you realise its size...
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RichMayo Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Odometer: 413 Location: Yate
1997 Suzuki Vitara
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:06 am Post subject:
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Nice! Bit of a monster there. Who's the pet stalker though?
What are the chances... reading the "Epic Suspensions" this morning before leaving the house, "15 set-ups every off-roader can learn from" section of April 2015 Total Offroad pg 54-55 there's a section called "Want to push the limits? Be warned: they might push back...". An XJ pic there and then the name Ged is mentioned - and then comments around RHD vs LHD pretty much reflecting what you're saying here. Then I come on here and see your pics! Coincidence...
Anyways - looks like you've been there and got two magazine articles
Who did the work on the suspension kit by the way? Mentions modifying the angles and then taking it for a spin in the article.
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:39 am Post subject:
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its been mentioned in a few mags.
i didnt know they still did TOR.....
will have a look and see whats been said.
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RichMayo Just got MTs
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:47 am Post subject:
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Yeah I've been getting it for a couple of years now. The whole article is worth a read to be honest.
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Xpajun Mud Obsessed
Joined: 22 Sep 2008 Odometer: 3245
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject:
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RichMayo wrote: | Nice! Bit of a monster there. Who's the pet stalker though?
What are the chances... reading the "Epic Suspensions" this morning before leaving the house, "15 set-ups every off-roader can learn from" section of April 2015 Total Offroad pg 54-55 there's a section called "Want to push the limits? Be warned: they might push back...". An XJ pic there and then the name Ged is mentioned - and then comments around RHD vs LHD pretty much reflecting what you're saying here. Then I come on here and see your pics! Coincidence...
Anyways - looks like you've been there and got two magazine articles
Who did the work on the suspension kit by the way? Mentions modifying the angles and then taking it for a spin in the article. |
One of the articles I haven't yet read in the current TOR - 'cept I've just read Ged's bit now....
Some people think they know everything - others do it and know the answers
Ged... you've only got a couple of days to find a copy - the new issue will be on sale in a couple of days - having said that TOR now sell direct from their web site post free
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject:
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wil get it online when i get home in a bit.
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:42 pm Post subject:
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yup, thats exactly what happened.
bits were chopped and welded, then we all took it out and had a wazz around to see how it worked.
with no offence to chicken drumstick, thats why i knew it wasnt as easy as he thought it would be.
been there, done that..
he is right, the axle and diff dont care where the steering wheel is. but the bits that join them together do.....
that was the one bit that was never perfect and the bit that killed the jeep in the end.
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject:
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Just read the whole article.
Fantastic.
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** GED ** Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:09 pm Post subject:
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chicken drumstick wrote: | What with a RHD prevents those exact things?? |
this......
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RichMayo Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Odometer: 413 Location: Yate
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:57 am Post subject:
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Alright folks. Finally moving house tomorrow! Whoop!!! So thought I'd give an update on where my thoughts have ended up 1 day away from having some room for project space
I've been meddling with my patrol generally really enjoying the thing. Am in the process of putting up a bit of a thread on it. Haven't done anything serious to it... Think that's going to become my oversized laner for the time being.
So there's another thread on here in the Suzuki section about the arctic kit for vitaras... hoping to go see one at castle coombe this weekend (house moving permitting) but if I like it in real life I think that's enough to get my interested in my vitara again. Probably free's up the winch to be transferred to the patrol too. Thinking despite the mods on my vit I'd pull bits off of it rather than get a fresh donor vehicle... it's the devil you know type situation. If I go this route I think long term I could be looking at engine, axles etc...
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