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granda jimny Gate Opener
Joined: 22 Dec 2014 Odometer: 6
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: JIMNY New clutch fitted and now green 4x4 light flashes
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Hi,Just been getting a jimny and have had a new clutch fitted through a friend at a garage and on the way home i put it into 4x4.The green dash light took about 6 or 7 seconds to come on and when it did it was flashing.This worked fine before the clutch was fitted.
I've rang my mate back up who knows the lad with the garage to inform him of this.
Any idea's of what the problem is.
Cheers
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Mr Tyre Mr Tyre
Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Odometer: 4957 Location: Darlington Co Durham
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject:
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When you put it into 4x4 was it on Tarmac or off road?And why did you put it into 4x4?
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granda jimny Gate Opener
Joined: 22 Dec 2014 Odometer: 6
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:19 pm Post subject:
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Yes it was on tarmac and just thought i'd try it to make sure all was ok after the garage had it
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Mr Tyre Mr Tyre
Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Odometer: 4957 Location: Darlington Co Durham
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:30 pm Post subject:
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Not a good move unless the tarmac has got 4 inches of snow on it and you are losing traction,sounds like you probably have got some transmission wind up.You could try reversing it some distance to see if that helps.
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granda jimny Gate Opener
Joined: 22 Dec 2014 Odometer: 6
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:42 pm Post subject:
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Why not a good move as surely you can have it in 4x4 in the wet without snow.
Before the clutch today tried this on the test drive and worked fine and when i bought i showed a friend the same without problem.
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Mr Tyre Mr Tyre
Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Odometer: 4957 Location: Darlington Co Durham
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:02 pm Post subject:
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On a part time 2-4wd, the idea is to use 4WD when you begin to lose traction, i myself wouldn't call driving in 4x4 in the rain as a need to get more traction.Perhaps your Suzuki handbook says different, my vehicle handbook tells me in certain foul weather conditions to turn the traction control off.
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granda jimny Gate Opener
Joined: 22 Dec 2014 Odometer: 6
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:12 pm Post subject:
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Yeah i know what you mean.
By just engaging the 4x4 seems funny that the light flashes now after doing the clutch.
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Xpajun Mud Obsessed
Joined: 22 Sep 2008 Odometer: 3245
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject:
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Although not a good thing to engage 4wd on Tarmac if you can't disengage the centre diff it ain't gonna start the lights flashing 😉 check out the vacuum hoses for cracks or not being in place properly
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granda jimny Gate Opener
Joined: 22 Dec 2014 Odometer: 6
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject:
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Would these have been removed while doing the clutch
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Xpajun Mud Obsessed
Joined: 22 Sep 2008 Odometer: 3245
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:47 am Post subject:
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granda jimny wrote: | Would these have been removed while doing the clutch |
yes, if they go to the gearbox - there should also be wires going to a switch on the gearbox to feed back that 4wd is engaged properly
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RichardD Marshall
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Odometer: 22856 Location: State of Confusion
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:29 am Post subject:
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Before you panic, find a gravel car park and fully test the 4wd system.
They may not have actually done anything wrong but simply moving everything around may have caused corroded wires or perished pipes to finally fall apart.
You can't really blame the garage for the faults but they should, perhaps, have noticed and told you.
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mlines Off-Road Guru
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 Odometer: 1467 Location: Reading, Berks
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:23 pm Post subject:
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I would suspect somwthing has been disturbed. whilst it is common that the pipework fails as it is the clutch that was changed then i would have a look around the solenoids under the battery. As the starter motor , which is also under the battery , has to be pulled out to change the clutch then I guess something here has been disturbed, either the wiring or the vacuum pipe.
There is nothing on the gearbox itself that affects the 4wd system unless its an auto.
Jimnys should not be run in 4wd on the road unless it is slippery and rain is not slippery.
Martin
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Mike e Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Odometer: 16 Location: Harwich, essex
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject:
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Is it a steady on off flash or is it more flickering on and off ?
Either way my money is on the wiring for the sensor's on the gearbox, I've just done the clutch on my vitara and unplugged the reverse light switch but forgot to unplug the 4x4 indicator and ripped the wire's out of the plug when I dropped the box down, obviously now doesn't say anything on the dash until I fix it.
Could just be the plug not pushed all the way on to the sensor.
Find a bit of wet grass, stick it in 4x4 and see if all 4 wheel's spin, then put it back in rear wheel drive, and do the same, if just the back wheel's spin then all is well.
With regard's to the vacuum pipe's mentioned above, vacuum pipe's for what exactly ? The gear box shouldn't have any on it, just a brother pipe, and any Vacuum pipe on the engine that could have been disturbed wouldn't affect the 4x4 system or the indicator on the dash, it would only affect the running of the engine.
Hope this help's.
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Mike e Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Odometer: 16 Location: Harwich, essex
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:02 pm Post subject:
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Just realised that the jimny has separate transfer box (never looked under one and only owned vitara's !) so the sensor you need to check is at the back of it.
Never done a clutch on one so not sure if a garage would need to remove the transfer box to be able to remove the gearbox. Either way I'd check that first though if the 4x4 is working.
Still shouldn't be any vacuum's on it though.
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MudBarf Just got MTs
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Odometer: 135 Location: London
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:02 am Post subject:
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Mike - Jimny's have vacuum operated automatic freewheeling hubs that engage when you select 4wd.
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tomocr Gate Opener
Joined: 24 Sep 2012 Odometer: 10
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:34 am Post subject:
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According to the 4x4 system, selecting 4x4 on the button causes the VSV2 to take the vacuum from the intake manifold and effect it in the hub to engage the slide gear with the outer gear. If the selection is made, the controller waits a few seconds for the vacuum. If the controller can not see 260mmHG after 15 seconds, the slide gear does not operate, 4x4 is disengaged and the 4WD light will begin flashing to warn that the hub is unlocked.
This could be due to leaks in the vacuum hoses (2 each hub I think), faulty VSV2 valve, vacuum switch or $WD controller.
Or.... Hopefully, a dodgy connection disturbed by your recent clutch change
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granda jimny Gate Opener
Joined: 22 Dec 2014 Odometer: 6
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:30 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for all the replys.
Will work my way through them eliminating what has been suggested,which may be a while due to work and dark cold nights
Hopefully it'll just be something minor.
Once again cheers for the suggestions.
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Mike e Gate Opener
Joined: 16 Oct 2014 Odometer: 16 Location: Harwich, essex
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:32 am Post subject:
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MudBarf wrote: | Mike - Jimny's have vacuum operated automatic freewheeling hubs that engage when you select 4wd. |
well you learn something new every day !
In my deffence though ive never owned one, never driven one, and never worked on one so was just guessing based on my limited knowledge of vitara's.
Wish my vitara had them though, then i could stay in the warm instead of getting out and locking them
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