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Winter tyres for 110 Defender

 
 
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RichardD
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:33 pm    Post subject: Winter tyres for 110 Defender Reply with quote

My road tyres are about half worn after 30k miles and are fine for the road but will not be much use in really bad weather, snow and in fields so it's time to replace the insa turbo saharas that were stolen a couple of years ago.

Time moves on so what do you recommend? I'm not looking for serious mud plugging tyres, they're for snow and light field use.

And where should I get them?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Winter tyres for 110 Defender Reply with quote

RichardD wrote:
My road tyres are about half worn after 30k miles and are fine for the road but will not be much use in really bad weather, snow and in fields so it's time to replace the insa turbo saharas that were stolen a couple of years ago.

Time moves on so what do you recommend? I'm not looking for serious mud plugging tyres, they're for snow and light field use.

And where should I get them?

Where you should get them is entirely up to you. Do you want rims too? Or just tyres, do you want fitting? How about being local or mail order?

As for the tyres. Really depends on many things. Do you have a budget in mind?

And what sort of use. I have no idea where you are, do you actually get much snow where you live?

For normal road use a set of winter tyres will probably be the best bet and will cope with the wet, damp just as well as frost, ice and snow. And will be ok in mild off road use. Although if temps aren't as low and you run on dry tarmac, depending on your driving style, you can tear such tyres up quite quickly. You will also be looking at the higher end of the price range for tyres like this.


Then you have A/T's. Loads to choose from, new or remould. AT's depending on your point of view are either the best, or worst of both worlds. They won't be as good on road as a road tyre, nor as good off road as an off road tyre. AT's will generally work well on compacted snow and ice, even more so if they have sipes.


Next up is MT's. These will work the best off road and will work well in fresh and deep snow. And depending on which ones you look at, may not be any worse on the road than AT's for the most part. Again, big choice of new or remoulds.


Personally I have little use for AT's and if I think I might end up in a wet muddy field, I'd much rather some MT's. Even aggressive AT's are pretty rubbish in the mud if it's wet and slippery.


I've seen these in person and think these look quite nice. A sort of do anything tyre. They are also new, not a remould.
Federal

http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...ame=&id=32300

The have sipes, so should handle the wet and ice and compacted snow quite well. But still have some good lugs for mud duty.


Maxxis offer a couple of tread patterns that look good. Again new not remould.

http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...T764&id=31754


http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...-762&id=31604


Here a classic, BFG Trac Edge copy (remould).

Quite nice on road, but could get out of it's depth off road. I'd almost call it an aggressive AT.
http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...ame=&id=17100



Classic BFG MT tread pattern.

This one looks quite chunky, although lots of brands which are all similar. This should be really good off road, but acceptable on road. This tyre was standard fitment on some Jeeps for instance.
http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...ame=&id=32394




Current BFG MT KM tread copy.

Or go for the real deal at approx £40/corner more.
Not quite as off roady as the older tread, but probably better on road manners.
http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...ame=&id=17497


The Yeolander copies...

Proven, but a bit predicable and obvious.
http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/product-info.ph...ame=&id=17321



Silverstone MT-117 Sport
Again like the Federal and Maxxis tyres, these are new not remoulds. My brother has recently bought a set of these. Good price for new tyres. They look aggressive, but thanks to the centre rib they drive very well on the road. A tad more noisy than some of the others above maybe. But they look the part and perform well off road.
http://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk/car-tyres/s...one/mt-117-sport/



I have no probs with remoulds and have run them lots. Although I'd probably go for a set of new tyres if it's mostly road use. Out of these I like the Federals and Maxxis MT 764 the best and would go with either of those. If I thought I'd be seeing more off road action and in more challenging conditions then I'd go for something more aggressive.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew, that's what I call a comprehensive reply!

When I said winter tyres, I really should have been more accurate. What I'm looking for is a tyre for me to use during the worse winter weather that would also do for moderate field/green lane use. It's important it would not be killed by normal driving nor be that lacking in road manners that it might kill me!

I suppose something between an All Terrain and a Mud Terrain which is why the Saharas (Geolander) were what I had previously. Cost is also a factor as I need wheels and tyres.

The BFG KM2 is currently top of the list (having spoken to Tyres Direct) good mileage, good winter/snow/muck grip.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want winter/snow grip you are much better off going for an AT pattern than MT Richard as MT anything are too aggressive for snow, they have a tendency to keep digging until they get grip which is fine until you have to use the same road twice and it's turned into something like a skid pan.


Nokian do them, Cooper Discoverer MS and Kumho KC11. Cooper start at 100 quid each,Kumho are 106 Nokian are 129. Openeo list all 3.

As for rims buy yourself a set of wolf rims secondhand and use them not unless you want bling which i wouldn't in the winter salt/brine mix they use these days.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I'd be better off simply changing my conticross Ats early then?

If that's the case then I've saved a packet that I can spend on ..... the kids and the house Crying or Very sad Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you are Richard, let them run down and put new on when the weather changes.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Tyre wrote:
If you want winter/snow grip you are much better off going for an AT pattern than MT Richard as MT anything are too aggressive for snow, they have a tendency to keep digging until they get grip which is fine until you have to use the same road twice and it's turned into something like a skid pan.

The trouble with At's is, they won't cut it on snow that is laying on wet/soft mud.

I agree on hard packed snow, AT's tend to perform better than MT's. Although this is largely down to the sipes AT's usually have.

If you can find some MT's with sipes, then you have the best of both worlds.

Here is a test with some BFG AT's in the snow. What you didn't see was, that just before filming the 90 was stuck in the deeper mud. Also after filming the AT's started to perform worse and worse on this terrain (the more we drove over it), to the point where we went and swapped on some MT's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lly05kLhOjQ&...TGMWUTTEPCrQ3pzzw


If you're out in the sticks and come across deep snow, or need to climb a grass snow covered bank to get around a stranded car, then MT's will give you the edge.


For example, I much preferred this on MT's:


Over this on M&S rated AT's:


In these kinds of conditions.

Although both were capable.


Looking at the tread, I'd have thought the Federals I posted earlier should be capable in all conditions.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another way to look at it, is to run MT on the rear AT on the front.I know of one company that runs LSD equipped 4x4's that way in severe weather, and then if the weather gets worse or likely to get worse they spot hire 4x4 6.5-7.5 ton trucks and use them.They do have snowploughs mounted on some of their own fleet to help in severe weather.
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