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N.R.G97 Off-Road Guru
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:16 pm Post subject:
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I havent updated this for a while, well i finished 3rd in the nationals, didnt go as planned, but hey!
the sections were tight and quite nasty, so really wasnt ideal for a SPAM landy like mine, anyway discovered a few things with her so ive increased the turning circle by putting the hubs in auto, this was more successful but unfortunatly didnt do it till the second day!
The new engine is built, and i have a few other mods on the way, more for going faster... a new set of tyres are still needed but i cant decide whether to go big or not- anyway ill sort that when it gets to it.
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject:
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Well im looking to buy a new set of tyres for my landy, i will still be running the fedima's for trialling, as they are awesom tyres, unfortunatly they are also banned from alot of events due to being too agressive... hmm
Anyway, ive narrowed it down to 33", I run 32" atm and while people recommend 37's for the types of event im looking at starting, i figured thats because most guys run a much longer wheelbase than me (most are running 100"+ and im running 87") so to get a simular break over angle, they need biggee tyres. This poses problems for me, the first being gearing. This isnt a massive problem as i have a set of lower ratio diffs for my axles.Second however, is stability. Unfortunatly it takes rather more effort to lengthen the wheelbase than it does to swap diffs. As enginges change and i push to go faster, it may undeego surgery, but for thenext year or so, it wont be!
For the reasons above, I am looking, for the time being at least, to stick under 35's. So 33" seems good as there is little in the way of rocks and the like that stop the landy anyway, locker and lsd and a good dose of travel seem to sort that problem.
I've also narrowed it down to the two tread patterns, I dont want anything that aggressive, such as the fedima sirrocco as on rock i doubt they will grip as well as the maxxis type patterns. In an ideal world i'd have a set of sticky treps a longer wheelbase fox shocks an arb in the front... but jm not made of money and they dont do the trepador in a 33"! The two ive narrowed it down to are:
Bfgoodrich km2
Insa turbo super special track
Theres not much in the price between the two, and I have very little experiance with either- so whats everyone elses thoughts?
Any input welcome!
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Eclipsed4ever Just got MTs
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject:
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Looks like the trucks coming on well. It always seems to be a never ending road of mods but keep them going!
On the tyres subject, I've never really rated INSA Turbos. They never seem to really clear much although that may be because 9/10 they're on 200TDi's. They are pretty common though so there must be something good about them. I am however fairly sure they're remoulds. This usually (not always) means tougher rubber and depending on what carcass they used, tougher side walls - a hindrance and a blessing.
One of my buddies used to have the KM2's on his road going V6 trooper. He used them quite a lot in the fields and whatnot though and always bigged them up. BF Goodrich are renowned for making good quality tyres and I've no doubt the rubber compound - something that a lot of people forget about - would be good. They're widely used in the states.
All in all, depending on what your doing, unless your in some deep mud where all out aggressive tread is king, I'd try the KM2's.
What events are you aiming at next year then?
Oh and well done on the 3rd place! Good job
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Xpajun Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject:
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Insa Turbo Special Tracks have the same tread as Fedima Sirrocco - I can tell you that the compound is soft on them and yes they are remoulds. I started using these before they became popular - fitted the 235/85 and they worked quite well for trailing - now everyone uses them
BFGs are a hard compound - they last for years on road - I think they'd be less useful for rock than the Insa - and for mud come to that
The American tend to use something like Mikey Thompsons or Maxxis aired right down for rock
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:34 pm Post subject:
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It does seem so! But theres not loads left to do... well until i decide to change something again.
Yeah to be honest i havent either, i drove a friends v8 with them and they were okay but nothing special, id say theyre okay in dry but not great in wet, but their new tyres look slightly less agressive and better for rocks, but im not sure still. Yeah i agree on the remoulds- i think i got lucky on my fedimas as the flex well but ive never had a problem with the sidewalls. I agree compound is important, i thought, like you, that might be where the bf would win out.
The km2 looks good and i think is slightly ahead in my books partially just 'cos i think they look cool and more importantly they look more suited to rocky terrain.
I was planning to have a look at eurotrial, although maybe next year isnt best is its in i think slovakia? It was something i was going to message you about but never got round to it.. Im also going to have a go at qualifying for KOV.
Cheers! Well done on first place wasnt it?
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:41 pm Post subject:
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Xpajun wrote: | Insa Turbo Special Tracks have the same tread as Fedima Sirrocco - I can tell you that the compound is soft on them and yes they are remoulds. I started using these before they became popular - fitted the 235/85 and they worked quite well for trailing - now everyone uses them
BFGs are a hard compound - they last for years on road - I think they'd be less useful for rock than the Insa - and for mud come to that
The American tend to use something like Mikey Thompsons or Maxxis aired right down for rock |
Sorry just seen your reply yeah i know they are the same tread pattern, im considering thesuper special track as they seem slightly better for rocky stuff. I use the maxi cross pattern which is probably why i was dissapointed by the insas.
Yeah everyone uses them... a reason im tempted to stray from them
Yeah i like the look of the maxxis but they dont do the tread in the size i want, and the tread they do looks really overpriced for how good it looks, i will probably look at running beadlocks so shouldnt have a problem letting the pressures down.
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:12 pm Post subject:
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Think a few guys here are confusing insa 'special tracks' with 'super special tracks' they are two different tyres.
I think I would probably try the super special tracks over the KM2s myself.
Special tracks>Yes these are remoulds
Super special tracks>But these are NOT remoulds
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Xpajun Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject:
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ScottieJ wrote: | Think a few guys here are confusing insa 'special tracks' with 'super special tracks' they are two different tyres.
I think I would probably try the super special tracks over the KM2s myself.
Special tracks>Yes these are remoulds
Super special tracks>But these are NOT remoulds
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Do you know anyone that runs the SSTs?
When I was first shown them I advised the guy that was looking at them to go for the originals - I think the originals will give more bite than the SSTs
And - actually are they available? Can't find them listed in the latest reviews I have
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:18 pm Post subject:
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ScottieJ wrote: | Think a few guys here are confusing insa 'special tracks' with 'super special tracks' they are two different tyres.
I think I would probably try the super special tracks over the KM2s myself.
Special tracks>Yes these are remoulds
Super special tracks>But these are NOT remoulds
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Yeah i got that feeling too but i cant upload pics from my phone
Yeah but i phoned tyres direct and they seemed to think that they measure slightly short of 33 which is a bit crap
However the bfgoodrich i would go with is a 10.5 rather than 12.5 which has both advantages and disadvantages, i was thinking to go with wider tyres as on the rock a bigger footprint would be useful.
Xpajun, i agree in mud but i have my fedimas for usual use, walters arena is mostly rock with mud in places, suggesting to me that a tyre that works on rock would be beneficial, and with a slightly bigger footprint i thought the sst's would work better.
I dont know anyone who runs them, and cant find any reveiws, which is why i am kind of leaning towards the km2's.
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Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject:
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well, some progress...
we fitted the new engine and a series 3 gearbox 2 weeks ago, and it goes great! really changed the vehicle. we took it tagging last weekend, to load onto the trailer after 30 minutes- we fitted the wrong clutch (bigger spacer on the thrust mech) and the clutch started slipping so today we changed the clutch. again. but now it drives even better!
I also bought the new tyres, 255/85/16 in bfgoodrich flavour, they look good, and will soon find out how they perform. Also bought 1 winch, a fairey PTO winch with PTO and everything we need to make it work, once thats fitted and the rims are beadlocked, we will take it to binegar to see how it performs.
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teamidris Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:58 am Post subject:
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If it's any help my rears are 265 on standard RRC rims, which I think are 6.6"? Pinching them in on the back aids traction and protects the rim.
edit; your aligators look pretty pinched already though
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:29 am Post subject:
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teamidris wrote: | If it's any help my rears are 265 on standard RRC rims, which I think are 6.6"? Pinching them in on the back aids traction and protects the rim.
edit; your aligators look pretty pinched already though |
Thanks! Ive allways found the fedimas fine on those rims,
I think the rims i've got for the new tyres are 6j or there abouts so should be okay with beadlocks and the 'wider' tyres.
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Eclipsed4ever Just got MTs
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:14 am Post subject:
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What you really want to do is buy a set of wheels with a full set of internal bead locks
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:45 am Post subject:
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A word of warning if your events use the MSA permitted tyre lists. The MSA Cross Country Committee will be doing a root and branch review of the tyre lists in 2014 with a view to consolidating the list.
It is likely that all the current patterns will still be available. Current list is here
http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/bl...Tyres_%28L%29.pdf
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:23 am Post subject:
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Eclipsed4ever wrote: | What you really want to do is buy a set of wheels with a full set of internal bead locks |
I would but i have a mate with a cnc cutter
. wrote: | A word of warning if your events use the MSA permitted tyre lists. The MSA Cross Country Committee will be doing a root and branch review of the tyre lists in 2014 with a view to consolidating the list.
It is likely that all the current patterns will still be available. Current list is here
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I hope the awdc dont ban the alligator pattern for trials!
For.king of valleys all i could find was that maxicross pattern and dumpers are not allowed...
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:20 pm Post subject:
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I wrote and email to Profender USA about sponsorship a while ago, and have been in talks with them about it since then- last week i bit the bullet and have bought a set of 2.0 14" travel remote res coilovers from them, with a really good discount and now just waiting for them to get into a container on their way home!
To get the right spring weights and valving we had to take some measurements on the landy and obviously weigh it:
The front weighed 900kg and the rear 800kg giving an overall weight of 1700 kg, which is pretty good i think, and well balanced.
Anyway cant wait for the coilovers to arrive!
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:14 pm Post subject:
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Crikey! Been a long time since we had an update on Difflock; sorry but I now keep my Facebook page more up to date than threads on forums; it's much easier for posting pics from a phone
Well, we now have 3 sponsors, which is good news; Wellspacedout.co.uk for the beadlocks, Winch-it for winch rope, and Profender for suspension. But don't worry, we still do all the work on the landy ourselves
so, we have fitted a fairey PTO winch, with a completely rebuilt gearbox behind the tuned 2.25, we have run with winch once in the workshop and it seems to run quite a good speed, but want to get the radiator fitted up before giving it a good workout
We also beefed up the crossmember, with 6mm plate.
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject:
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At the same time, we were building the wheels; i.e. welding the beadlock rings to them. I saw a lot of complaints about bolting beadlocks up, so decided to captivate the nuts before welding the ring to the rim.
It's safe to say trialing will be harder with these wheels and tyres!
We are obviously doing a lot of work on big things; bt we are still doing run of the mill maintenance; rebuilding brakes, new clutch, points and condenser, new bushes, welding on the bulkhead etcetc.
While we have made progress, there is still a lot to do, and I have to thank my sponsors, as without them I couldn't even consider changing this much about the truck, to such a high standard. Please have a look at their websites, there might be just what you're looking for!
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while I will make an effort to keep this thread more up to date, if you'd like to see what's going on a bit quicker, here's a link to my page: https://www.facebook.com/NRGOffroadMotorsport
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:07 pm Post subject:
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it was a capable truck before with someone who knew how to drive it
now you should be unstoppable
will try and come to an event soon for a catch up and look over the truck
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:39 pm Post subject:
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There's another play day at Walters Arena on the 15th June if it'll be in a state to take there for a practice. I trust Jason hasn't put you off KoV?
The truck looks to be coming on well, keep up the good work!
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject:
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Eclipsed4ever wrote: | There's another play day at Walters Arena on the 15th June if it'll be in a state to take there for a practice. I trust Jason hasn't put you off KoV?
The truck looks to be coming on well, keep up the good work! |
we will be there should be we will hopefully be fitting the front shocks tomorrow, dash is made up etc should have some updates tomorrow. Hopefully get it running on Friday to try it out on the farm on saturday, then up to binegar on sunday before walters next week.
Cheers I can't wait for KoV
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teamidris wrote: | I see it's in bits again Is there any/much damage? |
Sorry mate, just saw your post!
Damage is;
Rear a frame snapped off of axle
Front passenger side studs rounded
1 beadlock wheel knackered
1 tyre knackered
Bent panhard rod
Bent hockeystick mount
Knackered steering box
So actually not that bad.
Stuff to do is:
Hydro assist (bit different to normal, think you would like it Steve; using some old school tractor parts) will update when some bits turn up next week
More power via direct injection and maybe supercharger if I can afford it
Tuning on the shocks
Beef up some of the links
Rose jointed trailing arms
Maybe 37" red label krawlers
Which would mean new diffs and rims...
We'll see what the wallet allows!
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My steering stuff has arrived, not quite the normal hydro assist, aye? Well it seems the main issue with conventional hydro assist tends to be the lack of flow enabled by the steering box; so surely the ideal would be to have a full hydro set up, with say an orbital valve working alongside the standard steering box; alas, it has been done, but is pretty complicated and hard to package. So we looked to the hydro assist sold by tractor manufactures in the 70's in order to make the steering lighter. Basically, a stand alone system that uses a shuttle valve on the ram to operate left and right at the same time as the conventional box.
It looked promising, and surprisingly I managed to find a supplier easily, and for a very reasonable price I had a full kit- pump, pipes, ram, bracketry etc. Now obviously it doesn't just bolt onto a landy. So I have had a look, and with some fabrication it should work, and actually it really isn't that far off of working. The main problem is finding a pulley with the correct taper and keyway- so I will probably have a pulley machined up for me. No issue really just a pain.
Meanwhile, the engine is on its way out; just the mounts and a couple of bell housing bolts left. Hopefully (another) new spigot bearing with some fettling will fix the clutch as it really is horrible to drive as it is.
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