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You Gotta Fight For Your Right to Repair Your Car

 
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:33 pm    Post subject: You Gotta Fight For Your Right to Repair Your Car Reply with quote

Interesting article about the motor manufacturers keeping the service information about their cars from the independent garages, and the USA rejecting the secrecy in favour of the independants.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2...-your-car/283791/

As cars get more complicated the individual will be able to do less and less, and the independant garages charge a lot less than main dealers so that's where most people will take their cars. Unless the manufacturers get their own way. We need to follow the USA's example and not let that happen.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't happen here under the EU Motor Vehicle Block Exemption Regulations. In fact, from 2018, ALL manufacturers must use exactly the same ECU interface making it easier and cheaper for the independants
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good, for once the EU has done something useful! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was my thought too!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EU has a decent track record on preventing and dealing with industry cartel type behaviour. I am still waiting for the same for big pharma.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RichardD wrote:
The EU has a decent track record on preventing and dealing with industry cartel type behaviour. I am still waiting for the same for big pharma.


Same here, plus gas, electricity, diesel/petrol and what about some competition for water suppliers?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. wrote:
Can't happen here under the EU Motor Vehicle Block Exemption Regulations. In fact, from 2018, ALL manufacturers must use exactly the same ECU interface making it easier and cheaper for the independants


Have you got a reference for that? under current regulations the manufacturers are forced to encrypt or otherwise protect the ECU from unauthorised tampering. Its different in the US where the manufacturers are obliged to allow independents to be able to reflash through the J2534 'pass through' standard. The diagnostic interface is already open to all through EOBD via CANBus but EOBD doesn't support many of the parameters required for full diagnostics hence the need for a second 'proprietary' interface.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just google EU Motor Vehicle Block Exemption Regulations and you'll get lots of references including Government guidance
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the EU enforced the same rule when the government bailed out rbs et al, they made us sell off all the profitable bits so the company wasn't too big, the buyer was Santander Confused
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