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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Trailer axle help Reply with quote

I picked up an old trailer axle at the weekend, its a drum braked axle with 4 stud wheels and 145 mm PCD with roughly a 112mm centre hole. The axle has rod operated brakes.
On the drum side, it has the markings Axles Watford HB 6-10
So far google has lead me to a HB6 hub castle nut and that's about it.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you trying to identify it John?

You'll probably get brake bits in Indespension. They have a vast range of stuff for older trailers but they're not the cheapest. That said their stuff is excellent quality.

Last boat I had had a anonymous trailer. I took a hub assembly to Indespension and got everything I needed ex-stock. I was suitably impressed with the service.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am trying to ID it, but its not for a boat trailer, its for my other toy hopefully.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The boat trailer comment was merely idle chit-chat John. I wasn't suggesting your axle had marine associations although it may well have.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No probs, the boat trailer has suspension units
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Axles of Watford were bought by Indespension maaaaany moons ago (before I worked for them and I was nineteen when I started in their workshops.... I've got grey hair and a grey beard now....)

Why are you trying to identify it? Do you need parts? Due to the age, I'd be surprised if you had a metric PCD. Don't mean to be cheeky, but did you measure it correctly? On a 4 stud, you measure diagonally across the face, from the cemtre of one stud, to the centre of another. Standard 4 stud trailer PCDs, back then, were 4" (101.6mm), 5.5" (139.7mm) etc. 145mm is usually a more modern, 5 stud PCD. If it's definitely 145mm, then maybe it was made for vehicle wheels instead.

You've likely got Lockheed Mk1 (maybe Mk2) auto-reverse brakes in there. Possibly 10" shoes. They're difficult to get spares for (auto-reverse became the industry standard circa '89 IIRC), but you can still get parts for them, though they're becoming increasingly rarer.

Post a pic up, of the inside of the brake assembly, and I should be able to tell you. If they are, Trailertek do Lockheed parts:

http://www.trailertek.com/acatalog/Lockheed_Spares.html

Hope that helps a little?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That helps a lot cheers. I will double check the measurements of the PCD, I'm sure I did I measured diaganally,
When I get a brake drum off I will be able to see what I can see. Any idea of the capacity ? I was told it was off a 3500kg trailer (not sure if single or twin axle)

I am trying to ID any parts of it really, the correct brake setup would be good. At the mo, it has a pivot in the middle of the axle that operates the brakes via rods (which at the mo, look like they push in to operate the brakes?)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you won't get a 3500kg GVW single axle trailer. Well, that's a lie, you can, but they're pretty specialist. If it cam off a 3.5t trailer, I'd say it would have been twin axle. Ergo, max capacity of that would be 1800kg. Though I suspect it may be less.

One of the troubles with using older running gear is matching up the couplings etc. If it's pre-autoreverse, then you can get couplings ok (they were just a big, cast unit, with a large capacity spring in the centre and you had to get out and flick a switch over, to stop the brakes coming on.

If it's Mk1 or Mk2 autoreverse then the couplings are harder to come by.

I should be able to tell you from an internal pic of the brake parts.

Yes, the rod brakes work on a pull-push basis. These were prior to the bowden cables we're all familiar with nowadays.

If you can get away with it being unbraked, it'd save you a huge amount of time, money and effort...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Righty - more to go one!

I will be trying to get one drum off over the weekend which I assume is done by removing the big hub nut and pulling the drum off.
One brake has stuck on which will be fun.
The plan is to replace the axle on the Harvey Frost crane that currently uses 8" wheels with 3 studs and is a bit narrow.

The current hitch has a lever that flick over to stop the brakes coming on.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you may be in luck with the coupling then.

Yup:
Pop the dust cap off
Take the split pin out
Undo the castellated nut
Give the drum a persuasive 'tap' and it should slide off the stub axle

Best of luck.

Unsure of your location. I'm in Fareham. If you're stuck I've some very hefty hub pullers, that haven't failed to pull a drum in twenty years of doing trailers.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers
I am a further away, more nearer Chester!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, that is a bit far away! I'll wait for the pic
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably best and will be at the weekend I think.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are in luck

Brakes


PCD ?


PCD ?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trailer guy, I'm thinking 100E Ford Popular wheels, when they went short people went for 13 inch Subaru pick up wheels.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone else mentioned 100E wheels. This could start getting expensive!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John, i'm sure you will find a breaker with a subaru pick up or at least the wheels as they usually rotted out before they wore out Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope so!
The brakes could be an issue though as some bits appear EOL !

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John

They look like Lockheed to me - early autoreverse, though it's difficult to tell the difference between the backplate and the shoes!

If you stick a tape across the inside face of the drum (where the shoes would press against it), or across the shoes, outside to outside, what measurement do you get? Is it 10"?

What was the actual PCD in the end (it doesn't look like 145mm in the pics?). In the pics it looks closer to 140mm. Which is very likely to actually be 139.7mm. Which is, in old money, 5.5". So measure carefully, diagonally, as per your second pic, from the centre of one stud to the centre of the other. If it's 139.7mm / 5.5" then you're in luck, as that's a standard trailer PCD, available almost everywhere.

It's also worth measuring the centre boss (the bit sticking up, between the studs), to ensure the wheels you buy have a centre boss that's compatible.

Wait to hear from you!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will break out the more accurate gauge later (well when I get home tonight)
The angle of the camera doesn't help!

I think it is 10" just a hunch based on HB6-10 markings? 10 being 10" ? HB being ? and 6 being ?

There is a lot of rust on the drum and the back plate which doesnt help plus it was take in the shed at night with a flash on the camera!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more pics to keep ya going!

Drum



Centre hole


PCD

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff - 10" Lockheed then

What does the verniers say?! I can't read them from here!... Laughing

Looks like just under 140mm?...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10" Smile

Going by the longer pointy parts of the callipers, to me it reads 145mm
Will try for a better picture

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put a battery in your verynears for fécks sake John.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, it does need feeding. Its was fine on Sunday!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gadgetboy wrote:
Put a battery in your verynears for fécks sake John.


Just purchased some LR44 batteries....so a caliper with numbers will be back!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

excossack wrote:
gadgetboy wrote:
Put a battery in your verynears for fécks sake John.


Just purchased some LR44 batteries....so a caliper with numbers will be back!


LR44?

LR?

Land Rover? That explains why it doesn't work!!!

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excossack wrote:
gadgetboy wrote:
Put a battery in your verynears for fécks sake John.


Just purchased some LR44 batteries....so a caliper with numbers will be back!


My vernier doesn't take batteries. You read it yourself

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absquatulation wrote:
excossack wrote:
gadgetboy wrote:
Put a battery in your verynears for fécks sake John.


Just purchased some LR44 batteries....so a caliper with numbers will be back!


LR44?

LR?

Land Rover? That explains why it doesn't work!!!



Yup....I think the power leaked out!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John/everyone else.

Apologies for opening such an old thread, did you ever manage to get any more information on this axle? Ive got 2 of them on my trailer with the exact same hub as yours...

Im hoping to be able to source some wheels/rims for them. But the unusual pcd/bore size combination is making it lets say.... F**king hard!?
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