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minimodz
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Location: Woking, Surrey
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 Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: wheel wobble
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Been getting wheel shimmying on my RRc. so ive changed all track rod ends, had tracking checked, new wheel bearings, new swivel bearings, drop link swivel, etc. but still doing it.
wheels have been re-balanced too.
any suggestions as I'm running out of ideas.
someone's suggested changing the axle casing and trying new suspension (Britpart springs +Procomp shocks on there at the moment).
any suggestions folks??
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bertie_bas205
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:57 pm Post subject:
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Check yer panhard rod bushes an the raidious arm bushes...
I found if my tyre pressures were low I'd get a wobble too....
Bertie.
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Mr Tyre
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:50 am Post subject:
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| I presume after changing the swivel bearings you checked the pre load on them?
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minimodz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:41 am Post subject:
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| yep - preload checked and double checked. same with tyre pressures.
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bertie_bas205
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:00 am Post subject:
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Steering damper checked??
Bertie.
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will98
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject:
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raidious arm bushes
no i no what it is its the driver
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EIG
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:32 pm Post subject:
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Check that the droparm securing bolt on the bottom of the steering box hasn't loosened and is still secured by the lock washer, it may look ok visually but get someone to move the steering wheel whilst you're underneath - it takes only the slightest play here to give you the effect you are having.
Jim
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burko_uk
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject:
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I'll thrid the suggestion - bushes.
Get underneath while someone else waggles the steering wheel for you. Easiest way to check for movement. The car will move relative to the axle.
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giggleberry
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject:
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| have you checked your brakes ?? one of the calipers may be sticking
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Oceantreader
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject:
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I was gonna say brakes too. sticky caliper or warped disc.
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Land Rover
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject:
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I know this sounds obvious but Tyre size, Tread and condition?
It May seem a bit of a far out idea but Halfshafts? 
Have you ever off-roaded the Rangey? 
Bent Axel? 
I'm out
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smokeyjoe
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject:
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Play in the steering box?
That's what the problem is on mine, guess what I'm doing Monday.
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antichrist
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject:
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| bertie_bas205 wrote: | | Steering damper checked?? |
Sorry, no. Steering damper should never be replaced to correct wobble. That's not the purpose for them. Only after everything is corrected should the steering damper be replaced.
For the OP, also check the 4 steering box mounting bolts. I've seen them loose.
Here's a list I posted on another forum. Of course you've already addressed some of the items, and others have mentioned some of the other things to check.
(this was for someone who had something like 4" of free rotation in the steering wheel)
With the wheels on the ground have someone move the steering wheel back and forth.
While they are doing that start with the steering wheel to steering gearbox shaft and find where there is movement on the steering wheel side of a connection and none, or less, on the road wheel side of the connection.
Obviously your ball joints (tie rod ends) are bad. But it could be (probably is) also any combination of:
Steering shaft u-joint loose on shaft or steering gearbox (least likely)
Internal play in steering gearbox (adjusting nut on top)
Loose pitman arm
Loose steering box mounting bolts (or any other loose bolts in the steering system)
Ball joints (you're addressing)
Panhard rod fixings/bushings (Not directly connected to steering, but centralizes axle with chassis to prevent relative side to side movement)
Loose wheel bearings
Swivel pin preload
Other worn suspension bushings will contribute, as will worn tires (which they probably are if the steering is that sloppy)
Check everything in the list and make sure they are all up to par. If the problem persists then you need to adjust the swivel pin preload. Given the condition of your steering I'd go for a rebuild rather than just removing shims which is nearly always only a short term fix anyway.
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Hooli
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:55 pm Post subject:
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| antichrist wrote: | | bertie_bas205 wrote: | | Steering damper checked?? |
Sorry, no. Steering damper should never be replaced to correct wobble. That's not the purpose for them. |
Agreed.
However I suspect some steering damper faults could cause wobble which is what I think bertie meant.
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Chris Ennis
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject:
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i had the same but mine was wheel bearings that needed nipping up, i didnt see anyone suggest the checking the U\J on the steering shaft either.
I asked the parts man at a well known LR garage in whitworth (lancs) as i thought mine might be damper related and his advice was to do a full axle rebuild using genuine parts as it could be a number of things 
when i asked more about the genuine parts it turns out what that garage calls genuine and recommends to there customers are britpart
after that i politely told him where to place his genuine axle rebuild kit and walked out
chris
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antichrist
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject:
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| Hooli wrote: | | antichrist wrote: | | bertie_bas205 wrote: | | Steering damper checked?? |
Sorry, no. Steering damper should never be replaced to correct wobble. That's not the purpose for them. |
Agreed.
However I suspect some steering damper faults could cause wobble which is what I think bertie meant. |
Not sure what you're saying, but a bad steering damper will never cause wheel wobble. All it can do is quit masking it.
So a damper fails, quits masking the wobble, a person fits a new damper, the wobble is masked, the person claims it's fixed and the myth continues.
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