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lada gearbox to pug derv engine

 
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: lada gearbox to pug derv engine Reply with quote

hi guys and galls

rite i have been looking into what gearboxes fit the 1.9td pug engine and reading between the line the niva box will fit

the page i was reading was translated from a diffrent language so i just want some yes its wills from people in the know more than me

if they do fit are the hard to get hold of in the uk and what are they like in there set up do the have a built in t-box like a vitara or seperate etc etc

thanks in advance
pete

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No they don't fit. You need an adapter plate.

In the UK you'll probably have to get this manufactured as the diesel Niva was never imported here. You might have more luck on european or eastern european forums where the diesel Niva was available.

The factory diesel also used the Pug XUD engine hence adapter plates do exist.

You'll also have problems with the starter motor (amongst other things). The starter motor is on the right on pugs and this is just where the steering box is.

That's why RHD diesel Nivas were never produced.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhhhh ok that put a niva gearbox out for my project then

thanks for a fast reply most helpful

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been done. What people do is mount the starter motor to the adapter plate and mod the bellhousing.

The Pug XUD is probably the best engine you could put in there. It's reliable, can do stellar distances, is reasonably light diesel-wise and it's about the same size as the Lada engine.

Your other option is find an engine/gearbox combo that's roughly the same total length as the Lada combo.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry i should have said the engine is going into a suzuki sj i was just looking into gearboxes that may work under my car with the pug lump
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not that hard to make the lada gearbox fit. and to answer your question about the transfer case it is not attached to the gearbox. so whatever gearbox you decide to go with you could still use a lada transfer case.
someone mentioned that the LDV has a RWD manual box inbehind a pug XU engine.

here is my build thread where you will find most of the things you need to do to make the lada box fit.

http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=50628...=asc&start=30

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(pete) wrote:
sorry i should have said the engine is going into a suzuki sj i was just looking into gearboxes that may work under my car with the pug lump


The PSA XUD9 has been put in an SJ also. Factory fit, but it was the SJ produced in Asia somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gadgetboy wrote:
It has been done. What people do is mount the starter motor to the adapter plate and mod the bellhousing.

The Pug XUD is probably the best engine you could put in there. It's reliable, can do stellar distances, is reasonably light diesel-wise and it's about the same size as the Lada engine.

Your other option is find an engine/gearbox combo that's roughly the same total length as the Lada combo.


The PSA is a nice reliable engine, (even thou mine just blew up) But it is much bigger and heavier than a Lada engine!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"But it is much bigger and heavier than a Lada engine!!!!"

I beg to differ it is about 5cm longer, and approx same weight.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nivapulledout wrote:
"But it is much bigger and heavier than a Lada engine!!!!"

I beg to differ it is about 5cm longer, and approx same weight.



It is longer, how much i don't know but i can measure it. Got both in my garage. The Pug is also wider, higher and has more stuff around the block.

A Niva petrol is 1340kg according to Norwegian pink slips and a diesel is 1230, in reality i think it's even heavier. I have had to 1.9D Nivas, both has much less height under the front diff.

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