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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is another bigger part of the site. It is a private company so might be worth an ask.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know anything about the other area ? i can see it on google earth but can't see if it has a large hill ?

Ole Kristian from Norway mailed this morning as he is watching this thread with interest and said could i post some u-tube vids just to show what they are looking for -

This is Ole at Skien in Norway on the longest hill they use - if we can find a hill half this size we will be happy Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

n.r.g97 wrote:
a place called binegar quarry its in somerseta about an hour from bridgwater


Thanks for that, only just seen the reply Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It that all of the sand pits you guy's know then ?? there must be one somewhere Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

51°13'27.60"N
0°29'33.51"W

Google Earth. It's very sandy. Landfill so no idea if you'd get permission, but there are some contact details on Google Earth if you enable the keyhole community information layer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't get anything like a sand pit on them numbers ? whats the nearest town or village called ? do you know the place have you been there ?

and more important has it a wall of SAND to climb up Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

braunton burrows in north devon, i havent got any pictures but im sure they'll be some on google, the army use it alot for training, have always wanted to have a play there but tis not allowed.
im sure if t was approached in the right way then permission COULD be granted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just tried it again and those coords work for me??

albury in surrey is the nearest village. I've never been in but I have seen a wall of sand as i drive past. i'll try and get a better view/pics next time I'm out that way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to live near Albury years ago - we use to go to a pub there

be great for a picture of the hill if you get a chance please Very Happy

Thinking about Devon/Cornwall area Confused I think that maybe it's to far west for them and would cost to much to get all the car's etc down there ?

I think if we can find something as near to the ferry ports the better and more cars would come over then - the ports are Immingham or Harwich on the east coast.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rizla 1 wrote:
I used to live near Albury years ago - we use to go to a pub there

be great for a picture of the hill if you get a chance please Very Happy

Thinking about Devon/Cornwall area Confused I think that maybe it's to far west for them and would cost to much to get all the car's etc down there ?

I think if we can find something as near to the ferry ports the better and more cars would come over then - the ports are Immingham or Harwich on the east coast.
rizla,speak to rocwatt,i hale from his part of the world,north lincolnshire,there are loads of old quarries up around there,not too far from immingham,i would love to help you but i now live in suffolk,is a disused cement quarry any good?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it a cement quarry is chalk ? or they are round here - and most are stepped for safety Confused

i will pm Rockwatt thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you feel like a ride out have a look at KORC over bank holiday. Lots of sandy hills and rocks in the main quarry plus there is the other side which they book out for private events. they had a comp safari there last weekend.


















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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mail from Rockwatt has said the same place funny enough so i will follow this lead and mail them to see what other sandy banks they have to offer.

good that they also allow motorsport too Very Happy


Thankyou to all for the help and if we can make this happen it will be a great event for the British offroad people to see Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a huge one that looks the ticket directly in front of lakenheath air base in norfolk, the yanks would love it too as its on there doorstep

i dont know who would own the land but there might be some way of finding out at justoffbase.com
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ads requested I went for a scout and this is the bigest sand quary that I know of in lincs.
It's about as deep as you will get for a sand quary as it's down to the table any lower and it's mud.









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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDIT,** after re-reading your Original post that it must be sand the 'Shale bings' i have posted below dont look to be a suitable solution/location.
Sorry, this is not sand.

I live 300 yards from 1 sand quarry that joins to 2 more over a 1 mile area,
but the way they do it now is shallow extraction & reclamation of ground as they move along
Google earth DD8 2BQ
& scan the quarries,
there is a steep/deep sided one near Brechin 5 miles away, but this has deep water pools at the foot of it.
All the other big quarries near Dundee are Sand stone/gravel type quarries.



**possibly what you need are the 'Oil Shale Bings' in West Lothian near Edinburgh.
Google them, 5 Sisters,Oil shale bings, etc
Some are now historic sites, these are man made.

You might get a welcome from the Scottish Government & its Sports department/Minister with the correct approaches,
they love visitors from abroad.
(just dont ask the Forestry Commision/Enterprise for its land for Challenges Sad )

Probably also stuff on Youtube of bikes at play as well as official Comp Safari stuff.
There was a unfortunate death last year with a rolling 4x4 at one unoffically used location that got lots of media coverage.
(Location is handy for the Rosyth Ferry or arriving via ferry from Aberdeen)

Some of these are still used for Motorsport, Comp Safaris etc.
They are quickly disapearing due to developments in recent years tho.
Some that exist are still used un-officially & others are 'Hired out' for events.

Maybe someone local can let you know which might be suitable for your use.
Or Members from, Scottish Mud Club, Off The Track that play on some Bings
Or Scottish Off Road Club/Scottish Land Rover Club that hold speed events on a couple.

They probably will give the biggest challenge you will find in the UK for the type of event you want,
& are possibly the surface you require.
george


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you just found him his site them there bing's look huge. They should push them a bit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MY GOD - that's what were talking about - WOW Cool Cool Cool

Nice one George - If anybody reading this has any information on these hills let me know please

Having it in Scotland is good for the Iceland guy's too as near there ferry's Cool

Thanks for taking the time Rockwatt to go out and about but they look a little low - but they could be an option if we can't find bigger -
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

j44gtw wrote:
EDIT,** after re-reading your Original post that it must be sand the 'Shale bings' i have posted below dont look to be a suitable solution/location.
Sorry, this is not sand.

I live 300 yards from 1 sand quarry that joins to 2 more over a 1 mile area,
but the way they do it now is shallow extraction & reclamation of ground as they move along
Google earth DD8 2BQ
& scan the quarries,
there is a steep/deep sided one near Brechin 5 miles away, but this has deep water pools at the foot of it.
All the other big quarries near Dundee are Sand stone/gravel type quarries.



**possibly what you need are the 'Oil Shale Bings' in West Lothian near Edinburgh.
Google them, 5 Sisters,Oil shale bings, etc
Some are now historic sites, these are man made.

You might get a welcome from the Scottish Government & its Sports department/Minister with the correct approaches,
they love visitors from abroad.
(just dont ask the Forestry Commision/Enterprise for its land for Challenges Sad )

Probably also stuff on Youtube of bikes at play as well as official Comp Safari stuff.
There was a unfortunate death last year with a rolling 4x4 at one unoffically used location that got lots of media coverage.
(Location is handy for the Rosyth Ferry or arriving via ferry from Aberdeen)

Some of these are still used for Motorsport, Comp Safaris etc.
They are quickly disapearing due to developments in recent years tho.
Some that exist are still used un-officially & others are 'Hired out' for events.

Maybe someone local can let you know which might be suitable for your use.
Or Members from, Scottish Mud Club, Off The Track that play on some Bings
Or Scottish Off Road Club/Scottish Land Rover Club that hold speed events on a couple.

They probably will give the biggest challenge you will find in the UK for the type of event you want,
& are possibly the surface you require.
george

Hi everyone thanks for looking after a place to drive Formula Offroad. I am glad so many off you find this interesting and this is also good for Jeff since he building a Formula car.
The last pictures looks like a good place for those car we use. Is this sand or soil?
What is the easiest way from Norway to this place?
Look forward to hear from you guys
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The general area is 125 miles south of Aberdeen, & South East of Edinburgh. (i dont know how many or big the areas are that are left)

On Google Earth put in 'Faucheldean Scotland' to view one Bing.
there are 2 areas there, 1 bigger/higher than the other.
or 'Niddry Castle EH52 6QT' Winchburgh
(you will see that there is long term airport parking areas near the access road outside Faucheldean)

Sorry but i havnt driven on there for over 20 years & i have only been recently on 1 area, which has lost the height that it used to have.
'Pumpherston',
this wouldnt be suitable anymore i dont think, most of the material is now removed.

Possibly best to post on the 'Scottish Mud Club Forum' to see if anyone can give information on the Bing with the biggest slopes,
(someone that actually still goes to some of the land between Edinburgh & Glasgow)
there could possbly be access to for 'an official International event'
if there is suitable ground.
(Health & Safety & other problems will always be mentioned, MSA support or similar will most likely be required)
www.scottishmudclub.com

The material is rock that was mined & crushed to extract oil many decades ago.
Very compacted in places when i used to drive on it, but loose on steeper surfaces.

Sorry for not being much help at the moment but the area is 100 miles south of me, & not someplace that has apealed to me for my needs.

It really needs knowledge from someone in that area that would understand your requirements to comment on the ground & slopes.

The access problems could be sorted for 'an organised event' i would imagine & hope.'
george


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Ole - DFDS freight from Kristainsand to Immingham or Ejberg Denmark to Harwich which is a normal car ferry.

Nice that you take time to post for us - thankyou
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Widow maker Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boss wrote:
there is a huge one that looks the ticket directly in front of lakenheath air base in norfolk, the yanks would love it too as its on there doorstep

i dont know who would own the land but there might be some way of finding out at justoffbase.com


Can't seem to find out about this one ? can't see it on google earth keeps taking me to Canada with a place with the same name ?

Any chance of a picture or maybe a post code
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This place?
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.414046,0.5209...2.414046,0.520924

Taken from
http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?page...AGB_scale%3A25000

and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakenheath

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that but i still can't see this hill by the airfield ?? must be just a spoil heap somewhere - not a natural hill or quarry ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a reply from a post i put on the Scottish forum which reads

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The 5 sisters and all the other bings are the waste from the shale mines in the area.

They are mostly Burnt Shale (Blaze), which usually compacts really well.

As far as safety goes, shale lies in layers and can form sharp edges, possibly shred tyres???

There is also issues with the remaining oil in the shale and the storage of heat, which can start fires. (common in the 90's)

Further to this Im sure the 5 sisters is a landmark and there is a nature reserve / SSSI in the area. Vehicle use is prohibited on all the bings around west lothian and lanarkshire and will usually involve the police showing up.

Most of the bings are being cleared for development or to use the shale as a fill material in construction projects.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you watch the video at the side of 'car 136 pumpherston comp safari'
Not punctureing or shreading tyres, but this is on a compacted shale surface mostly.
If the link doesnt work,
google 'car 136 pumpherston'
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5RuiAZTg0o

There is then on the sidebar a video of 'Broxburn Bing' this is again on the top of compacted & driven on regularly material, not the side slopes.
Then 'bing bashing' video & SDF pit bike dec 07 bing vid'
all this is in the well used safer areas.

Pumpherston is being raced on what shale remains of a Bing 2008,
(the hill has gone by that time)
Being run by SLROC/SORC, my orange 110 is sitting there in the clip towards the end, at the pits
this surface is compacted because its used by the construction traffic etc.
no punctures etc.
Gives some idea of what the material is, & these are small banks & cuttings of some of the bigger/rougher graded material/surfaces.

The sloped surfaces on the Bings which might be of interest with some height are covered in looser & smaller graded material, as this has never been driven on in areas.
It doesnt cut up crosser bike tyres particularly badly & no shreaded tyres or fires.

Obviously illegal/unauthorised use of any land or property will draw the attention of the law, & rightly so
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Waiting for a reply back from Kirton off road centre to see if they have anything of interest or as they are a working quarry maybe they could make something with the sand banks they got ?

good place to have it too as nearish to the ports


Anymore there must be a few somewhere Very Happy
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if your not doing anything august bank holiday they are hosting tor live, take a ride up to have a look Smile
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