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JamesLaugesen
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 Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: Carrying load on rear hatch
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Anyone have experience or opinion on carrying load on the rear hatch (older non-full length door)?
ie, a rack attached to the hatch door itself so all the weight is supported by the door frame, top hinges, lock, etc.
Here's a pic from Bax's gallery which sparked my interest.
I'm concerned how much weight the door/hinge structure could take when driving on rough terrain.
EDIT: Fixed img url hahah.
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Giovanni
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Location: Enderley,Hamilton,North Island,New Zealand,South Pacific.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:43 am Post subject:
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I would refrain from putting a rack on the rear hatch,unless the hinges,latch,gas struts and door frame were beefed up.I have seen some (mine included  )crack i.e. metal fatigue? on either or both sides of the hatch.That is on a line with the top edge of the internal black cover.
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JamesLaugesen
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:51 am Post subject:
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| giovanni wrote: | | I would refrain from putting a rack on the rear hatch,unless the hinges,latch,gas struts and door frame were beefed up.I have seen some (mine included )crack i.e. metal fatigue? on either or both sides of the hatch.That is on a line with the top edge of the internal black cover. |
Cheers thanks. I'll rule that out as an option 
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nivapulledout
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject:
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| Saying that I have seen quite a few pics where people have jerrys and or spare wheels mounted to the hatch. I am having to contemplate something as well as I need to find a spot for a 31" spare soon.
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UK_Andy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject:
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| milhouse87 wrote: | | Saying that I have seen quite a few pics where people have jerrys and or spare wheels mounted to the hatch. I am having to contemplate something as well as I need to find a spot for a 31" spare soon. |
Bonnet or roof?
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Giovanni
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject:
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I could not see that picture first time around,but would be great if that tent was self supporting i.e.it had a firm base with legs that drop down then you could leave the tent at base camp, do some 4x4 during the day/night then return to camp parking undrneath the tent again
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nivapulledout
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:12 am Post subject:
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yeah dont really like roof racks as you end up putting heavy stuff on them and then end up ruining the Nivas fantastic low point of gravity. I dont want to put it on the rear door as I think it is too heavy,(even though lots seem to have done it) and a rear bumper mounted one hampers access, adds weight and blocks rear vision. I think I am going to just have to bite the bullet and mount inside in the back. like hoodoo has and get me a camping trailer as that is the only time I fill up the back.
Hay john yeah that is a nifty tent huh got me looking on trade me to see what is out there as well he he. would be great for Aussie as it keeps you out of reach from the top ten poisonous animals in the world. he he
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half1
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: camper trailer
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| I have a early poptop that is mounted on a trailer. the sizes slide out and it sleeps 2. it does not have the fi/glass top as the newer ones have, full canvas, handy though. I just change plates and WOF when I want to use it, from my normal trailer
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Eddy
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I have been looking at building a spare wheel carrier onto the tailgate.
I have determined the following.
Hinges are made from a combination of a mysterious alloy and chewing gum
The locater on the latch is the same material chromed
I believe it could be done by making up steel hinges, bracing the frame, and also the support beam inside the roof needs reinforcing.
One extra gas strut is needed to support the weight of the wheel.
I think the latch would fail, so the gate should be held closed with some other arrangement ... a bungee cord springs to mind ...
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JamesLaugesen
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| Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject:
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Thanks Eddy, when I dismantled the hatch of my parts niva I realised how light and useless the hinges are, I really expected them to be steel.
I was thinking of making a generic rack across the hatch. Which I could strap a bike rack to, or water, fuel, tyre, etc.
Sounds like the most practical solution would be to make an extended roof rack down to the rear bumper with a hinged inner section to let the hatch open.
Hmm.
Edit: Forgot to add that I've been looking at roof top tents for a while too.
It seems all commercial ones weigh in around 45-50kg. I'm sure the niva can handle it (the gutters seem pretty solid), but would be too top heavy for my liking.
There's a couple of lightweight ones constructed like normal tents, but they look a bit sketchy. Might-as-well just make a lightweight platform to fit my normal tent.
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redviffer93
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Carrying load on rear hatch
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| JamesLaugesen wrote: | Anyone have experience or opinion on carrying load on the rear hatch (older non-full length door)?
ie, a rack attached to the hatch door itself so all the weight is supported by the door frame, top hinges, lock, etc.
Here's a pic from Bax's gallery which sparked my interest.
I'm concerned how much weight the door/hinge structure could take when driving on rough terrain.
EDIT: Fixed img url hahah. |
I can tell by the camp chair that that Niva is in Nu Zeeland.
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Giovanni
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| Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:31 am Post subject:
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Not with them plates/targa!
Could be Polar bear country though
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nivapulledout
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| Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:15 am Post subject:
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looks like france plates, def cant be Aus cause it would be a real sheep with its head stuck in the fence and its back legs still stuck in the gumboots.
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Eddy
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JamesLaugesen
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:58 am Post subject:
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| Eddy wrote: | | CERTAINLY not Aussie ... unless some-one pilfered the steering wheel ... |
Nar, they woulda flogged the wheels & chair too, and made a bong out've the water container.
Btw after sketching up some rough designs I've given up on a roof tent or some kind of rear-rack. They'd both add a lot of weight & extra "stuff" everywhere, 90% of which would be for the supporting structures themselves, not very Lada-like.
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crb247
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:55 am Post subject:
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You could always look up the "converting your rear seat to a bed" article hidden in the temple of niva?
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JamesLaugesen
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:24 am Post subject:
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| crb247 wrote: | | You could always look up the "converting your rear seat to a bed" article hidden in the temple of niva? |
I do a lot of hiking & dirtbiking so atm I just use my tents or hammock or whatever suits.
Haven't entirely ruled out sleeping in the car one day, but first sorting out storage/tie-down points along the side of the interior (like above wheel arches, across window, etc) to free the boot space for my (big) dog.
I have no need for the rear seat, so it's reversed and secured to act as a bed/soft crash-barrier for the dog.
Since I'm trying to keep the boot clear for the dog, it makes sense to try to expand the idea into a bed for myself too... although if I have girl along for the trip a tent is probably more practical anyway .
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