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Tramp Off-Road Guru
Joined: 16 May 2007 Odometer: 1745 Location: Rotherham
1992 Suzuki Samurai
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: Re: If you are going big
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norseman wrote: | If you are going big then you could always consider one of the smaller Urals. |
iv always liked Urals, the thing is i used to look at the 2wd sidecar combination and drool, lol shame they are never going to be legal on u.k. roads.
as with the trucks, well a zil131 and praga z3s can be driven on a standard UK license (pre 97') whereas anything bigger and you need your hgv, unfortunately for me i did my car test 2005 so i can only drive up to 3.5tonne, any way this link was posted in extreme off roading section (i fancy something a bit bigger)
http://www.manbymotorplex.com/res_website.asp?supplierCode=mby100&page=for_sale
apparently tatra 8x8 Kolos can be bought for the grand some of.......
£1500
well you know what i would buy if i had the cash.................
either the kolos or the apc
Luke
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slopster Gate Opener
Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Odometer: 9 Location: NZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:56 am Post subject:
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Im in the New Zealand army and regularly drive both mogs and pinzgaurs. U1700 mogs and 6X6 pinzgaurs with vw turbo diesel engines. The pinzgaur will destroy the mog hands down in most conditions. The mog is better when extreme ground clearance is required and when going through deep water which interferes with the pinzgaurs electrics. Even the armoured pinzgaurs with 2000kg of extra weight seem to out do the mogs except on steep hills. This pinsgaur has a horrible auto gearbox though. Believe it or not we only just got rid of our series 3 landrovers last year!
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Gregor-Pinzgauer Gate Opener
Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Odometer: 16 Location: North Shropshire
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:36 am Post subject:
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Hi All ,
I thought i would post up some general facts for you all .
The Pinzgauer was designed by a Austria Gentlemen called Hans Ledwinka ,he designer the Haflinger , Pinzgauer and Tatra .The design has been around for quite some time using the portal axle and independent suspension .The Tatra is the Pinzgauers big brother and when you look underneath one you will see why...The Pinzgauers are a 100% purpose built light cross country vehicle and designed to travel the extreme terrain of the Austrian/Swiss Alps etc etc..From 1970 to 1985 series one Pinzgauers where produced approx 25,000 units .All 2,4cc aircooled 90HP .Puch motor .From 1986 the first series 2 Pinzgauers rolled off the production line fitted with the VW LT 6 cylinder Turbo diesel Motor with Manuel and a Automatic ZF 4 speed ..Steyr Puch stayed with this motor right up to production end in Graz before everything relocated to the UK...The total of Austrian series 2 Pinzgauer production was approx 5550 units...They improved the motor several times by adding intercooler and bigger turbos , with some Pinzgauers getting up to 140HP..The first British army Pinzgauers a total of 1200 units where all made in Graz , Austria..The last Austrian Pinzgauers where made in Graz early 2000 and then production was moved to the UK were the Pinzgauer got the VW/Audi TDI 5 cylinder motor (But i think this motor had been by planned by Steyr)..As far as i know Magna who bought Steyr Puch , decided to end production of the Pinzgauer ..The motor has sinced changed again to a Steyr Motors -M1 , monoblock , 145HP ..The facts i have given might not be 100% but its the basics..
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Dreadnought Winch Assistant
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Odometer: 56 Location: Swindon/Pstragowa
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject:
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Sorry I got here late to this thread. (I,m new to the forum too) I have owned a Pinzgauer 710k for a year or so now and a Unimog 1300L for a few months. My Pinzgauer is one of the Pinzmeister conversions, it has a 5 cylinder Mercedes 2.9ltr diesel from a Sprinter fitted. Performance is just a bit behind the petrol version and you have to change down and scream up hills (remember what diesels were like before we all got used to Turbo,s and intercoolers) (The engine bay is a bit cramped for the Turbo (HOT) version, but one day I may try to engineer something.) My Pinz is easily capable of 100KPH but is happier at 85/90KPH. The handling on the original (bias belted) Maloya tyres was downright dangerous and scary. I changed to a set of 7.50 x 16 Goodyear G90s and she is now a joy to drive. On Lanes I haven,t met one where she could be stopped, on Salisbury Plain she went where Landrovers with diff locks fear to tread. I haven,t finished converting the Pinz yet, but eventually she will be an overnight camper for my wife and I. On to the MOG...we were looking for an Agri spec U900, but instead went for a 1300L. 2nd hand Agri bits can be added later. We have bought a farm in Poland and will need the capabilities of the MOG and Pinz, now people prepare to weep. In Poland (and we are going to live in a remote region) there are no TRO,s No restricted Lanes, No Signs that say 'CLOSED TO MOTOR VEHICLES', no 'FORESTRY COMMISSION KEEP OUT'!! you can drive the thousands of miles of Lanes and people do! it,s your own look out if you get stuck, (there is always a farmer who will pull you out with an old Ursus tractor for a few Zloti). Around where we are going it is all hills and forest with lanes through each and over hills of beauty and remoteness. Any questions about the Pinz (30 odd MPG) just ask, same for the MOG.
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Turnip Just got MTs
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Odometer: 192 Location: Gloucestershire
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:
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Not really about Mogs....but interested in the farm in Poland - how many hectares for you pound? and where do you find out about it?
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Dreadnought Winch Assistant
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Odometer: 56 Location: Swindon/Pstragowa
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject:
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Hi Turnip, I was going to post a long reply, but everything dissapears after a while. Upshot is, it is only a smallholding 6 and a bit Acres, but it has 2 houses a big barn it,s own water....and it cost £43,000 We could have got many more hectares for the same price, but a bit further up the map where it is as flat as East Anglia and the soil is that black sandy stuff that Pines like to grow in. Basically why it cost so much is because of its location with no close neighbours and a bit off the beaten track. Now for the bad news, Poland has managed to keep people out until 2013...only then will other people from the EU be able to buy land (and I,ll bet they won,t make it easy) After 2013 prices will rocket (the people who had this place before us bought it for the equivalent of £15,000 and that was 6 years ago) I,m going for the unrestricted tracks and lanes. NO TROs or anything like that, if it,s a lane you can drive it. A hell of a lot of their 'c' roads are what we,d call lanes!!!!! any other questions cooper721@btinternet.com cheers have a good New Year Steve Cooper (PS. i FORGOT TO MENTION...My wife is Polish - been over here 30 years though)
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Dreadnought Winch Assistant
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Odometer: 56 Location: Swindon/Pstragowa
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject:
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I forgot to mention the council tax....they said "Its going to be expensive I,m afraid, it,s because you have a lot of trees" How much says, we?? ** Zloti......working it out that,s oooooh £40 quid.......per month? " No per year"...but you do get the first 5 years off for being new to the area. My poxy 2 bedroomed in Swindon is over £1300 a year.....you see why we can,t wait to be away. (He he don,t tell the wife but the savings will pay for the Diesel for that Big 5.7 litre Mog engine....let me at those lanes!!ye haaaaa
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teamidris Mud Obsessed
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Odometer: 3372 Location: Staffordshire UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject:
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I think most people would regret buying a mog when they had a puncture Landy wheels are big/heavy enough I think the direction should be 4x4 van for UK?
I've got a transit van with 10 by 7 by 6 foot tall box on the back. Even if it were 4x4 its not going green laning as its too tall! By the time you get a camper on the back of a 4x4 or 6x6 its over the magic 10 foot, so becoming restrictive as a 'handy' drive. The mog camper round here was a monster of a machine!
The 4x4 pinz does look a tidy motor. The forward control gives plenty of camper space. But what a feindishly comlicated bit of kit underneath. But still cool
So an every day drive and a bit of lurking around in the expedition scene would seem to be 4x4 yota van? Maybe one of them big Iveco at a push, or 4x4 transit.
Or go on expedition where you don't need four wheel drive. Most of the World gets around with 4x2 buses and trucks
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dxmedia Mud Obsessed
Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Odometer: 2185
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject:
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Changing wheels aint that hard, it's a nack and a tyre lever. I'd say it's no more difficult that any other 4x4 when you get used to it. Now inner wheels on trucks, they are a pita
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Dreadnought Winch Assistant
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Odometer: 56 Location: Swindon/Pstragowa
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:
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I see what you are getting at about the size of the wheels, (I,ve got 6 stud with 12.50 x 20 XZLs) with the usual half under cab mounting. But the handbook shows you how to lower the wheel using some rope, there is also a little winchy attachement you can get to make it even easier! (Fixes to the underside of the back body) might try to rig up something with one of those cheap trailer winches off e Bay, just to lower the wheel and lift back into position coupled with a sturdy bit of wood to finely tune its position. On the Pinzgauer, I was a bit daunted by it all at first, but once you either see pics of it apart and start pulling bits off yourself, it all becomes clear, but what amazes is the quality of the engineering, now I have loved Landrovers since I first drove one at age 11, but they just don,t come near a Pinz for the strength and quality of the components. (and fair enough you gets what you pays for...you could buy 3 Landrovers for one Pinz when they were new) Just drilling holes in the body wears out drills in quick time, that steel is very high strength, I,ve never met steel like it on a vehicle body before. On Transits, the County 4x4 was very capable off road, or at least the early ones were, but one very overlooked vehicle was the 4x4 Sherpa which was even better off road and not too big either. http://www.cowdery.org.uk/sherpa4x4.php
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normalbloke Articulating
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Odometer: 633
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject:
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"I think most people would regret buying a mog when they had a puncture"
Punctures are a doddle.I used the rubber lace method out in the field, it takes longer to open the tool kit than it takes to fix the actual puncture.<1 minute.
If a wheel needs changing that will take about 30 mins, and most of that is removing the spare from it's carrier and putting it back(by crane).
I run 405/70/20 tyres, and have not had a puncture or deflation in 2 years.
I used to run 14.50R 20 on 11 inch rims and managed to blow 4 beads off on a trial event,that took 1 hr 45 to sort out,but we did have the kettle on whilst doing it....
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teamidris Mud Obsessed
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Odometer: 3372 Location: Staffordshire UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:35 am Post subject:
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I'm not sure about a dodle But with practice anyone could be pretty slick. ( getting pretty fast meself with the challenge landy! )
Twins, Bad enough on my 190 transit. That reminded me how much of a fight they were on trucks. That and leaf spring changes
We gave up fighting ballasted tractor rears and built a trolley. Getting pinned to the floor by one changed my mind
I apologise for getting off topic suggesting a 4x4 van, when the question was 'pinz or mog'. But a few years back I needed a tow motor that was 4x4, diesel and seated four or five, to replace S3 landy. I bought a 2wd petrol transit that seated three and camperised' it Nothing wrong with this new motor, it was the interpretation of my needs that was wrong
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normalbloke Articulating
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Odometer: 633
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject:
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I was serious about the doddle.
The lace method does not even involve deflating the tyre.
It takes less than 60 seconds.
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