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treeman Just got MTs
Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Odometer: 442 Location: Lincoln
1997 Land Rover Discovery
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: late TDi vs early TD5
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I am thinking of ditching my scooby and adding another green oval to the fleet. Looking at possible discovery options. I can stretch to an aerlt TD5 or late TDi..... pros and cons for each would be muchly appreciated.
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scoobystu Guest
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject:
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early td5s are horrendously unreliable ( although there are always one or two exceptions to prove the rule ) and expensive to fix .
They are no less likely to rot and have way more to go wrong ,
300tdis are getting harder to find without serious tinworm or silly miles and when they are good people are asking hilariously funny money for them .... spares are cheap and plentiful though and most jobs are easily done by the DIY mechanic ...
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DiscoPower Winch Assistant
Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Odometer: 52 Location: Normally In a Bog In Truck =]
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:45 am Post subject:
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I new someone who had an early td5 which went really wrong the electronics kept putting on hill decent and raised and lowered the suspension. dont know what they are like now.
__________________________________ 200tdi Discovery Which is being bobailed =]
Im looking for a decent roll cage for my discovery and some good tyres.
If In dout give it a clout !!
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CarpeDiem Just got MTs
Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Odometer: 297
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:23 am Post subject:
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"Hill Decent" Didn't know tdi's had it. Though that came in with D3's?
As above;
Tdi's easier to work on, plenty of grunt as along as you keep the turbo going - early TD5's had fuel pump problems if you went under 1/4 tank and need more revs to get going.
A mate picked up a 54 plated D2 silver G4 version, looks very nice, but finding out, electrics can be £££ to fix.
More knowledgeable types will be along later no doubt.
Best of luck.
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tonyALB1 Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Odometer: 298 Location: walsall
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:14 am Post subject:
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sum1 can confirm this or prove me wrong
i think the wiring loom runs through the engine block on a td5
obvious probs to that are if head gasket goes water will soak wiring loom causing all sorts of probs
im told engine management probs are norm
i think td5 are faster than the 300
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i have just bought a 300 tdi auto and would NOT swap it for a td5 even if they are worth more in £'s
unless i had the td5 sold it and then bought back my 300 and kept the cash lol
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Ricky Off-Road Guru
Joined: 21 May 2006 Odometer: 1032 Location: west midlands
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:58 am Post subject:
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I have an early TD5 140k and its been more reliable than my two previous 300's, i also know of plenty of others with no major issues.
No real difficuly with DIY maintanance and repairs, and with the availability now of Nanocoms for £230 its even easier
Quote: | i think the wiring loom runs through the engine block on a td5
obvious probs to that are if head gasket goes water will soak wiring loom causing all sorts of probs
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Just one of the many"pub myths" about the td5.
The injector harness runs under the rocker cover and has a habbit of leaking oil back to the ECU but its a £50 diy fix. I also disagree that they are as likely to rust as much as 300's. they are not, the only weak point is the chassis, they come out of the factory with a lick of black paint, give the chassis a good waxoil and it will be fine.
people often look at the 300's with rose tinted specs, its a good engine but also had its fair share of problems.
I also go on the landrover owners forum and on their there are probably more td5' than 300's.
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terence Guest
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:11 am Post subject:
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a well maintained 300 with 90 K on the clock is likely to ironed out its wobbles by now
i love mine and consider it to be the last real landy engine.
the TD5 is a solid lump too with many horror stories , but many thousands are just fine
depends what you want to spend, id consider a 300 an investment.
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nicks90 Mud Obsessed
Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Odometer: 2181
1995 Land Rover Defender
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject:
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I wish people would stop comparing the disco1 with the disco2,
its like apples and pears.
Would you compare a 1982 bmw 320 with a 2002 bmw 320?
Totally different beast.
Same with the D1 and D2.
Interiors are lightyears apart. The D2 trounces it in just about every aspect of cabin comfort, sound system, heating, aircon, ergonomics
Engine. TDi is based on the old n/a diesel landrover used all the way back to the series 1. yes it is, stop arguing - yes it is. Do a search and you'll see a direct lineage. The TD5 is a brand new modern technology engine. Its lightyears apart in refinement, power and tuneability. Remember in standard form it will still cope with rubbish diesel. In Europe you can safely tune them to deliver a reliable 170+bhp making it more 'tractable' in gear than a standard V8 disco.
Safety and road handling. you expect any fairly modern luxurious expensive car to handle with impeccable manners on the road? Disco2 is no exception. ACE is brilliant and allows you to corner with minimal body roll at scary fast speeds, abs and t/c do what it says on the tin. Air suspension on the back with self levelling computer means its an incredibly capable tow vehicle.
Build quality No change there then. Both built by pinko socialist lefty idiots from solihul more interested in their trade union newsletter than doing their job properly.
if you want a super simple discovery to plug around in the mud and go from A to B in a modicum of comfort - buy a tdi
If you want a modern 4x4 to travel about in alot of comfort buy a td5. just remember its getting old and built by idiots. Would you buy a 9 year old top end bmw 5 series built in solihul and expect perfect reliability? NOPE! Now if the disco2 was built in germany next to the bmw line, it would be worth the same as simillar priced yota landcruisers and would never break down...
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tonyALB1 Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Odometer: 298 Location: walsall
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject:
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ive seen a few bmw x5 on the side of the motorway who says they are any better than landrovers
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scoobystu Guest
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject:
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[quote="tonyalb1"]ive seen a few bmw x5 on the side of the motorway who says they are any better than landrovers[/quote]
I would ,
when you talk about reliability of Land Rovers ( right now we are talking about the Discovery) and all of a sudden all the surveys are useless and not worth a toss. mainly because the discovery was at or very near the bottom (in the bottom 5) of every major customer satisfaction survey between 1999 and 2002 .
there is a reason for that ..
The P38 is probably the worst car ever produced by Land Rover ( worse than the freelander ) and every one knows it , FRIGHTENINGLY UN-RELIABLE!!!
but that wont stop someone coming on here and defending them and saying they know lots of others without problems
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nicks90 Mud Obsessed
Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Odometer: 2181
1995 Land Rover Defender
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject:
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but there are examples without problems.
just not very many
Its a shame because most LR models are incredibly good at what they were designed to do. Just built by accountants with a solid foundation training from British Leyland and pinko lefties from idiot-land.
Kinda ruins it really.
But i still hold true with what i said about comparing both discoveries. The tdi disco is the thinking mans defender, the TD5 disco is a luxury offroader. They look a bit alike and have the same name - but thats about where the simillarity ends. Decide what you want the vehicle to actually do and then buy accordingly.
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scoobystu Guest
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject:
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as above , but auto or manual is important too , the manual and auto TDis are completely different animals
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Ricky Off-Road Guru
Joined: 21 May 2006 Odometer: 1032 Location: west midlands
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | but that wont stop someone coming on here and defending them and saying they know lots of others without problems |
I dont think anyone is defending Landrover reliability. We all know they have issues but some models are better than others
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tonyALB1 Just got MTs
Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Odometer: 298 Location: walsall
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | when you talk about reliability of Land Rovers ( right now we are talking about the Discovery) and all of a sudden all the surveys are useless and not worth a toss. mainly because the discovery was at or very near the bottom (in the bottom 5) of every major customer satisfaction survey between 1999 and 2002 . |
think thats also about the time when td5 came out
i recon basically cos too many electrics from the then bmw owned company.
ps i do agree great when its all working but not so good when its not ££££££
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Ricky Off-Road Guru
Joined: 21 May 2006 Odometer: 1032 Location: west midlands
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject:
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The TD5 is Rover design not BMW,
BMW just agrred to continue with project
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scoobystu Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject:
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nobody said it was BMW design but maybe it should have been
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