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tango-zuke-5 Articulating
Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Odometer: 567 Location: felixstowe
1981 Suzuki LJ
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: drop boxes on landrover axles
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hi guys,
what would be the simplest way to make drop boxes to put on landy axles without killing cv's etc ?
any ideas welcome.
jake.
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Nathaniel Difflock Royalty
Joined: 13 May 2003 Odometer: 17901 Location: North, North Yorkshire
1979 Suzuki LJ
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:
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Throw about £15k at an engineering firm....
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steve_m Just got MTs
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Odometer: 107
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steve p Winch Assistant
Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Odometer: 81 Location: Black Isle
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:18 am Post subject:
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links not working m8
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tango-zuke-5 Articulating
Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Odometer: 567 Location: felixstowe
1981 Suzuki LJ
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject:
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steve m: ive pmed bill on lr 4x4 but no reply as yet , i also saw that post but after i looked at it the first time it no longer works?
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treebloke Just got MTs
Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Odometer: 262 Location: wolverhampton
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject:
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steve p wrote: | links not working m8 |
Link works for me, are you a member of LR4X4 ?.
Its an old post, goes back to 2006.
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tango-zuke-5 Articulating
Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Odometer: 567 Location: felixstowe
1981 Suzuki LJ
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject:
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tryed the link logged in, works now there imense
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JoelP Winch Assistant
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Odometer: 81
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject:
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i cant seem to make that link work, either as it is or cut off to the numbers. I even registered on that forum just to see it! I can see other threads there though. Any ideas?!
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JoelP Winch Assistant
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Odometer: 81
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject:
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it seems to be that any thread over 10000 works but 9999 down doesnt.
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steve_m Just got MTs
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Odometer: 107
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject:
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Sorry, just realised it is in a section of the site where you have to have made a certain number of posts to be able to see.
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JoelP Winch Assistant
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Odometer: 81
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject:
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gutted, the site seems so boring i couldnt even think of one post to make, never mind enough to get into special areas!
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burko_uk Off-Road Guru
Joined: 21 Oct 2005 Odometer: 1017
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject:
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We could start a new thread for difflockers who want to read about drop boxes, where everyone just counts each other posts lol
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V8427 Gate Opener
Joined: 26 May 2008 Odometer: 43 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject:
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If there is this much interest then why dont you all chip together and approach someone to build a set??
I did play around with this from the 303 box's but the start up coast is a few quid to have them sat on the shelf but if you had a good order for 10+ box's then someone would take on the project???
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teamidris Mud Obsessed
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Odometer: 3372 Location: Staffordshire UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject:
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I'm begining to think it would be easier to weld two independant Yota front ends together. Better handling, a diff well out of the way and easy 4x4x4. Probably a lot lighter too! Coupled with the fact my local club says it won't let portals in, I'm going off the portal idea.
Or go buy a nice Pinzgauer for 10k. Diesel, coil sprung, and everything that you need built in. Plenty of room for a beer fridge as well .
Take a landy; decent car 4k, diff locks, 1.5k, lift kit, big tyres, portals. Starting to look expensive
You could argue an old rangy is £600? I did that, had to change the engine, now the gearbox is spread all over the garage.
Or maybe I'm on a downer tonight?
Heck, I might 'U' turn and get fired back up next week and see if Portal Tek are still up for a budget kit?
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JoelP Winch Assistant
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Odometer: 81
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject:
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reason i fancy making a drop box is to reduce the ratio a touch to compensate for the big wheels. If you drop the ratio in the boxes you take a lot of torque off the drivetrain, so could use cheaper parts. I would also keep the drop box small enough to fit inside the wheel still, ie only a 4-6 inches or whatever would fit, then gain further clearance by having an independant diff mounted in a homemade spaceframe bent axle, similar to a de dion rear set up if you're familiar. Shout if that doesnt make sense! I think a drop box could contain about £150 of parts per corner in small volumes.
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shaggy Articulating
Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Odometer: 560 Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject:
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JoelP wrote: | reason i fancy making a drop box is to reduce the ratio a touch to compensate for the big wheels. If you drop the ratio in the boxes you take a lot of torque off the drivetrain, |
Only from the turny bits - it will add a massive load to the kingpins, and probably enough to the back axle tube to bend it. You can tell from the mog axle tubes that they're meant to take the additional loads from a portal.
jim
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wangaroo Just got MTs
Joined: 27 Aug 2007 Odometer: 152 Location: in deep doo doo
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:23 am Post subject:
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tango-zuke-5 wrote: | steve m: ive pmed bill on lr 4x4 but no reply as yet , i also saw that post but after i looked at it the first time it no longer works? |
Hi Jake. I'm sorry I have been away in Vietnam for several months and haven't kept in touch with the internet, so I haven't as yet seen your PM. As soon as I settle back in and recover/remember my lr4x4 password I'll endeavor to answer any pms received.As things stand even I can't access that article on my vehicle until I log in with the correct password.
Anyone here who has read my lengthy description on the build of my portal boxes would understand that it would be impractical to repeat it here if a link to the article on lr4x4 could otherwise be arranged.
Although my portals have been successful and have covered many thousands of trouble free miles, it is not a conversion that I would advocate to anyone unless they really wanted to make their own and had free access to suitable a lathe, milling machine, internal and external splining equipment etc, plus a lot of free time on their hands. I built them at a time when Unimog and Volvo axles were as rare as rocking horse poo here in Australia, and very expensive to boot. these days Mog 404 axles are much more affordable and readily available, and if I were to build another portal axled rig I'd be grafting mog swivel/portal assemblies onto reinforced Land Rover/Toyota or Nissan axle housings. I think mog diffs are excessively bulky and more difficult to work with, and I am not too keen on their difflock design to seriously consider retaining them.
regards Bill.
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tango-zuke-5 Articulating
Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Odometer: 567 Location: felixstowe
1981 Suzuki LJ
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject:
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hi Bill,
got access to a lathe and milling machine at school , the reareson im asking about portals is that we think there's going to be a significant problem putting 33"+ tyres on the landzuki as we slightly got the chassis length wrong so it will end up with not much suzuki body left when come to fit big tyres!
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