Anyone want to watch a video?

[paul_humphreys]

This may be of interest to CRAG.
On 24th Nov at 1800 in the Victoria Hall, Llanwrtyd Wells, someone is showing a film, the purpose of which is to "Raise awareness of the threat of offroading and wind turbines". I believe that this film may be shown around the area in order to whip up the residents against these subjects.

This is all the info I have.

Paul

[simon_pryce]

I don't get the connection between off roading [surely they mean green laning] and wind turbines. The bobble hat brigade are anti both of them, but then they're anti just about everything anyway. Perhaps even they can't come up with enough lies about one subject, they have to have two in order to fill a whole evening with propaganda.

What next? - ban farming because it's not picturesque enough

[XrHiNo]

I propose a ban on banning things. There aint much left you can do these days, it's the British mentallity if someone gets hurt or killed while partaking in a particular sport or pastime......... BAN IT

Tiddely winks, "aw, you could have someone's eye out with 'em... BAN IT"

[Anthony]

I am totally opposed to wind turbines in the countryside. They should put them in housing estates factories busyness premises and other infrastructures such as schools and hospitals etc. Of course they should all be of suitable size and after an environment assessment and fit in with panning laws. Not only do these eye-saws blight the country, they do not just pop up out of the ground like a set of daffodils but cause significant pollution in building them and digging up the countryside to make access roads fencing etc.. It seems totally crazy to transmit electricity over large distances. OK so it goes into the grid but they have to plough up miles in order to connect the cables. Far better to build suitably small community power production plants making best use of local available resources, than to build these monstrous all to often out of use gargoyles. If these triffids musts be build in giant triffid parks far from the end user, then build them far at sea. The new built reefs might actually do some good by creating new environments and spawning grounds.

I have also met people who live chlose buy some of these wind generators and even though they live about a mile or two away their lives ore blighted with low frequency sound. I beleive that this industry is subsidised and that the benefits that they provide are offset by many of the problems. All to often the ones that can be seen around here have to be turned off in high winds the very conditions that they are supposedly meant to take advantage of. Of course they do not operate any way in very low or nil wind though I am not sure at what operating speeds they can actually function in. They also seem to cause much controversy which split communities. They also appear to be able to negate planning processes in some places. Of course the government is not interested in curtailing the growth of this industry because they have signed up for them indirectly in the EEC. I am surprised that they have not attracted the attention of some of the fringe nationalist groups but perhaps blowing up telephone boxes in north Wales is all that they are up to, certainly they would come down with a wallop. I do not approve of that of course but I think that their should be better and stiffer legal defence organised against them.

A far as off roading being banned well I have two minds about that. I would hate to have my access refused but I find that I am going less and less often because of the mindless idiots who are destroying the countryside and the very tracks that they contest, means so much to them. In Mid Wales the leisure 4x4 is seen as a blight In my view it is no longer the mindless minority but very much a large sector of those who now visit to use the vehicle rights of way network who are intent on not staying on the track. One can travel at any time now and either see these idiots doing these things or find very fresh tracks showing that the abuse happened very recently.

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[Anthony]

Interesting link.

Only a few years ago we where nearly blown off our feet. We were in the Conway Valley and had just walked past a telephone kiosk when literally it ex plodded only about 50 metres or less away. Smoke flying glass and flames. I herd a car being driven very quickly away. Unfortunately I did not see it or have my car close by.

Their used to be signs painted on bridges saying


FREE WALES!

Then obviously written by a whit,

AND MOBY DICK FOR KING!

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[Drift]

You must be talking about Llanrwst , it was quite bad there at one time but there is a vast improvement over the last couple of years

It only takes one or two people to deface hundreds of road signs so keep it in proportion.
You might find the vast majority of people just want to get on with making ends meet rather that starting a rebellious uprising.

Even young people all over the most breath taking places in our country understand the importance of tourism on jobs and dont want to alienate themselves into a war torn gang ruled break away society, so lets not tar them with the same brush as a few misguided nationalists who cant see the wood for the trees

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[mudzilla]

i hear what your saying anthony, about the siting of wind turbines, but i dont think they can be sited in urban areas, as they need a long "crosswind" to operate properly (hence open fields/waterways) and large fields and high slopes lend themselvs very well

please dont forget that urbanites dont (and should not have to) suffer all structures that benifit ALL our socity.
and i live in the country,

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Wind turbines

There appearing everywhere and yes the noise does have an effect, there was once a nice fishing spot and now the area is covered by wind farms and no doubt its driven the fishermen away, no one wants to sit all day listening to whosh whosh whosh.

The other thing I've noticed some have become a tourist attraction in there own right, esp those near roads, seems all kinds of people stop and walk over to take a pic, have a look. Course this upsets farmers/landowners, often gates left open and there is no right of way, some even open gates and drive up in all kinds of motors to get near, others walk let dogs lose leave litter etc just no respect..

It was on one of these, close to a greenlane that I noticed a once forgotten symbol of "Free Wales Army" so someone is still active or there teaching their grand kids how to use spray paint.

[AllanI]

[paul_humphreys]

I was speaking to the head GLASS green lane rep last night, all he knew about it was my post.
But is hoping to go along.

Paul

[John yota]

I live in the north east of scotland and we too are being blighted by illegal off roading, again mostly younger people without anything else to do. The places where you can use your machines are so far from any towns etc that they just go wherever is closest. I understand and fully support the need for renewable energy you only have to go to youtube and search for "free energy" to see plenty of potential using magnets to make motors that need no outside power supply thus potentially negating the need for the eyesores that are turbines or what about the old oil platforms, rather than decomissioning them they could be used for mounting turbines we have communications cables running from the uk to america under water so it would be relatively easy to run power cables from a rig to shore! As for the damage caused what about the large ramblers groups that visit one place then jump in their coach and go to another area in the same day spreading the ticks that cause limes disease and god knows what else but because you can't see the damage they cause they don't get the grief that we do even though ticks, diseased leaves etc don't get stuck on 4x4's and in the real scheme of things we cause less damage to nature than these people like to admit. Their main reason for wanting rid of us is so they can enjoy all outdoors for themselves, they need to learn that the country is for everyone to enjoy (responsibly). We should not sit about complaining to each other these other groups stand up and make themselves heard why don't we??? And breath