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g1oves Just got MTs
Joined: 08 May 2008 Odometer: 448 Location: Bolton, LANCS. 3.0L TD HILUX & 2.4 TD DCAB HILUX & 3.0ltr td trayback 4runner
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Bending CDS Tube.
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I`m just in the middle of designing a tray back and iv been reading around that to bend CDS tube you can only use mandrel benders or special machine benders, similar to those used for exhaust systems.
my Q: HAS ANYBODY USED ONE OF THESE HYDROLIC BENDERS SEEN ON EBAY TO BEND CDS TUBE AND WHAT WAS YOUR OPINION ON THE BENDS AND OVERALL FINISH.
( SHOW PICTURES OF YOUR WORK AND TELL US WHAT TUBE YOU USED )
Many Thanks Gloves.
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minimog Off-Road Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1700
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:
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you will be lucky to bend pipe with the chepo benders
the problem is with the formers NOT the bender the original formers was a cast one and when you sat the pipe into it it came above the centerline of the pipe the new ones have been cheepend up using less material and are not a full 90 degree former so as soon as you bend over 60 degree the tube starts to flatten unlike my original sealy bender that will bend a full 90
i guess you get what you pay for (try and look for a second hand original unit from the likes of record/staffa/sealy)you will stand a far better chance
your only a few miles from me if you want to come and have a look pop me a pm
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M&S Just got MTs
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Odometer: 278 Location: County Durham
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:50 am Post subject:
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Have you tried your local HSS hire shop or similar? You could get a lot of bending done in a day, and they usually do deals for weekends if you go in and ask.
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Chris D Mud Obsessed
Joined: 24 May 2005 Odometer: 2432 Location: peterlee
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:
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i build all me cage's with a bender like that? 4mm wall and bend's fine
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g1oves Just got MTs
Joined: 08 May 2008 Odometer: 448 Location: Bolton, LANCS. 3.0L TD HILUX & 2.4 TD DCAB HILUX & 3.0ltr td trayback 4runner
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject:
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I had a look at one in a hss hire shop and the formers looked the same as the benders they sell in machine mart.
iv read all the web site and everybodys got different opinion about what you should use which is slowly driving me insane.i went to ashworth frazier`s at bury and asked about CDS and they said they don`t sell it but told me a lot of people use QT( 48.3mm x 3.68mm thick ) or ( 42.16mm x 3.56mm )DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANYWERE IN THE NORTH WEST ??? OR A GOOD LINK TO A SITE FOR SIZE`S AND WEIGHTS ???
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minimog Off-Road Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1700
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject:
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theres a place in wigan that sells it be prepared to sit down when getting a quote its about three times the price of hrw at the moment
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g1oves Just got MTs
Joined: 08 May 2008 Odometer: 448 Location: Bolton, LANCS. 3.0L TD HILUX & 2.4 TD DCAB HILUX & 3.0ltr td trayback 4runner
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject:
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The price i got to day for HOT FINISH SEAMLESS IT was about £4.25 per meter but its the weight that concerns me, its 4.11 KG/PM.
AND I NEED ABOUT SIXTY FEET !!!!!
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minimog Off-Road Guru
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Odometer: 1700
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:
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yep its amazing how hevey tube can be but just think how much you lightened your yota by cutting the rear off it only to replace it with more wieght in tube
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g1oves Just got MTs
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject:
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THANKS !!!!!
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mrman Mud Obsessed
Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Odometer: 4307 Location: Bridgend - South Wales
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject:
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I just gave away about 30m of CDS ( 4 x 7.5m lengths)
been lying around for ages
managed to find someone who would collect it tonight !
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boss Just got MTs
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject:
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i have just made a rollcage for my disco with one of these, i used 38 O/D seemed tube(not comp spec i know) i bent up a a small length to start with and it had a hurendous flat spot in it...i contunued to bend and the steel eventually folded just after 45 degrees.
what yuou have to do to stop it from folding is first fill the tube with water(tape off one end) then fill it up with sand as you fill it up the sand will displace the water. calculate the volume of one foot and after youve filled the tube with a foots worth of sand give it a knock with a mallet and pack it down with something. repeat untill tube is full with sand. then bend away.
pic of my rear hoop which was done with a "bottle jack bender"
all in all it is a very time consuming way of doing it... also problematic if you dont have anything tall to stand on. i think its worth mentioning that its worth buying a notcher, i used a grinder and although i consider myself rather good at using one notching it like that was also very time consuming...and most of the notches diddnt fit very well!
also worth a mention, dont try and cut corners by not puting the water in there and just filling it with wet sand....it doesnt work!
they are also very easey and quick to set up. compleeted my cage in 2 days.
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sj olly Winch Assistant
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Odometer: 55 Location: y-fenni south wales
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject:
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hi all i use one of these 200 quid well spent. depends how much you value your neck . cheers olly
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Anthony BathMat Rushton Mud Obsessed
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Odometer: 3749 Location: Wigan Near Manc
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:10 am Post subject:
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