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mrman Mud Obsessed
Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Odometer: 4307 Location: Bridgend - South Wales
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Bush Wires - Legal ?
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So
can we fit bush wires to our 4x4's?
I have seen them and personnaly I dont think they are a pedestrian safe item to have.
anyone know for sure?
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Dave
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spoofer Off-Road Guru
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Odometer: 1179 Location: stockton on tees
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:34 am Post subject:
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it depends on the copper that pulls you
but on paper they are for OFF ROAD USE ONLY and you can get done for them if you get a copper thats had a bad day, most will tell you to remove them there and then and give you a warning
but i agree there not safe for the road cos if you hit some one with them they will take someone's arm ect off
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Diesel Destroyer Mud Obsessed
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Nobby Mud Obsessed
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2776ian Just got MTs
Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Odometer: 269 Location: The wide open spaces of South Derbyshire
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:18 am Post subject:
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I can't imagine that bush-wires can be legal, except off road by which I mean on private ground, eg: a farm/country estate.
"Off-road" does NOT mean a green lane, which is a byway and as such is a "road" (albeit an unmade road). As such the Constructions and Use regs will apply to a green lane just as if you were driving past a school on a housing estate.
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terence Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:
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For what its worth , My 110 had them , it travelled all over europe, Cairo Cape town and Perth - Algeria and up / down uk and ireland
never had anybother with them.
now if my taillights werent working !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see previous rant )
depends on who asks , but i fear in court the rule book would be produced and they are considered a hazard.
Easy to disconnect PIA i know but hey isnt evertyhting these days
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sae70 Just got MTs
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Odometer: 142 Location: Near Chelmsford, Essex.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject:
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I've read something about the legality of these on the net before
From what I can remember they are legal but only if over a certain diameter
Again only from memory I think the diameter needs to be >4.5mm
Dave from Bits4Vits is your man as it was one of his topics that I remember reading this information
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Anthony Off-Road Guru
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Odometer: 1640
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:
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I very much doubt that they are legal, even if one could get away with it, I think that it is putting pedestrians or riders and horses at unacceptable further risk of serious and extensive injury or worse.
If their is a need for them on private land, why not attach them with quick release clips, so that they can be easily removed for road use.
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spannerman69 Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject:
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i`m sure i read some were that they are illegal on the road , with the exception of camel trophy trucks which were built with them as standard equipment.
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mrman Mud Obsessed
Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Odometer: 4307 Location: Bridgend - South Wales
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject:
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hmm
I just think they are not required.
I don't think they look good.
I just wondered why people fit them?
To me they look dangerous, that's why I asked if they were legal.
but hey
if it does it for you.......good luck !
Dave
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sae70 Just got MTs
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Odometer: 142 Location: Near Chelmsford, Essex.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject:
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Mmmmmm............
Seems there is alot of conflicting info around Sounds like the World Wide Web to me
Maybe this should be filed in sticky with;
Stick on number plates
'A' frames
Towing dollies
and. and
From what I can remember of what I read about them it was a quote taken directly from a police man who said that they were legal if over a certain diameter Still all hearsay though I guess
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sae70 Just got MTs
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Odometer: 142 Location: Near Chelmsford, Essex.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject:
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I've had a quic search around Difflock to see what has been written on the subject in the past
There was quite a bit Ignoreing the point about if they are legal or not I very much like what 'horsevad' wrote on the subject in April 2007
Quote: | These "jungle wires" have to be mounted onto something really strong for them to work.
If a weight is hung from a straight wire the total strain up on the wire will be up to 30 times the weight hung from the center of the wire (assuming about 5 degrees deflection)
Therefore a tree branch pushing against the wires with a force equalling 20 kg will produce a pull of about 600 kg in EACH of the mounting points. At the same time the wire itself will be subjected to a total load of 1200 kg. (Still assuming about 5 degrees deflection in the wires)
For these jungle wires to really do some good the need to be mounted onto something really sturdy. Else they will only be able to deflect the smaller branches - which could not harm the windscreen anyway! |
Mind you it was the 1st of April he wrote this so........?!
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mrman Mud Obsessed
Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Odometer: 4307 Location: Bridgend - South Wales
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject:
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goto bed !
you must be really bored.....
but
good find !
Whose to say he didnt make it all up?
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sae70 Just got MTs
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Odometer: 142 Location: Near Chelmsford, Essex.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:01 am Post subject:
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I guess he could have
Good night
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mmgemini Mud Obsessed
Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Odometer: 3096 Location: Stockton on Tees
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:30 am Post subject:
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They are legal on Camel vehicles.
How I don't know because Camel vehicles do,did not come from the factory. They left the factory to go to Special Vehicles.
So actually the bush wires are not as some people think "factory" fitted.
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Nathaniel Difflock Royalty
Joined: 13 May 2003 Odometer: 17901 Location: North, North Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:47 am Post subject:
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Why not make solid ones out of Tube?
3/4" or 1" Blue band pipe would be lovely.
Tie them into a rollcage above the screen and to the bullbars/bumper at the front.
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XrHiNo Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject:
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They idea behind them is to push tree branches up and over the top, why would anyone need to do that?
Most of the vehicles you see with these cables on have a row of cibies on the roof, which kinda defeats the object.
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Let Luce Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject:
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what someone said up there about the diameter makes sense, if you think what they look for in the SVA test with edges having to have a radius of ??? or greater... If the wire is of a diameter that is able to meet that requirement, would it pass?
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sae70 Just got MTs
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Odometer: 142 Location: Near Chelmsford, Essex.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:
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I knew I had seen it somewhere it was a post made by the affore mentioned Dave of Bits4Vits asking the same question 'are they legal?' and it was a response by daventrysurfer saying he had spoken with a police officer who had told him that so long as they are greater than 4.5mm in diameter they are legal
So now it's up to someone to prove this correct or incorrect
I'll leave you with it
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RichardD Marshall
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Odometer: 22856 Location: State of Confusion
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject:
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Nathaniel wrote: | Why not make solid ones out of Tube? |
and to hell with forward angular visibility?
Make em out of Plasma, Nat, the cost means little to a man of your means!
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jeepmadmike Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:
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i dont see the point, the mounts and the wire need to be damp strong to be any use. Im not sure if nats idea of a bit of 3/4 blue band would be any good the first little push and it would bend and break the welds i dont think the visability would be any more effected then it is by the pillars in a pug expert van!
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dieseljim Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject:
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I know this thread is "are they legal or not", but why not just drive slower through overhanging branches, and carry an axe/bowsaw/machete? (i carry all 3).
and cut the branch out of the way, thus keeping the lane open for other users too?
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mrman Mud Obsessed
Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Odometer: 4307 Location: Bridgend - South Wales
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject:
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sae70 Just got MTs
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:10 am Post subject:
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Sounds like hard sweaty work to me all that axe, bowsaw & machete business
Thats why I carry a lovely little Stihl 2 stroke chain saw with a 13" bar
It's a bit noisey and a bit smokey but quick and burns far fewer SPAM
It also has the advantage of not being able to harm pedestriens if I mow them down when travelling between lanes
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dieseljim Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:48 am Post subject:
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sae70 wrote: |
It also has the advantage of not being able to harm pedestriens if I mow them down when travelling between lanes |
Depends if you hang out the window with said chainsaw on full throttle!
must dust mine off and store it in the 110 somewhere
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madmole Articulating
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject:
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Is it not also illegal to use a chainsaw in a public place without a certificate
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dieseljim Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:
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It probably is, but you're not doing 50/60/70mph with a chainsaw with the possibility of having an accident.
If you were lopping a tree/branch on a public RoW, you could have a couple of bystanders stopping/warning any rambliars that they might get hit by a falling branch....
now, on the other hand, they could direct said rambliar under the path of a falling branch... that would be worthy of a youtube vid clip!
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jeepmadmike Mud Obsessed
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject:
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I got asked today by a horsey girl i know to drive up a local lane she rides alot as its getting very grown in and she dont like getting scratched!
Its dam narrow and only a zuk fits up it with great care
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madmole Articulating
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:39 am Post subject:
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I always fancied a couple of electric hedge trimmers mounted vertically on the ARB and powered from my inverter
Not only would it trim back the lane nicely but it would discourage argumentative ramblers
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cieranc Just got MTs
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:
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spannerman69 wrote: | i`m sure i read some were that they are illegal on the road , with the exception of camel trophy trucks which were built with them as standard equipment. |
I can't see how, if they were fitted as standard equipment, they would still need to be type approved/capable of passing an SVA.
So how can the same thing be legal from the factory and not legal if fitted aftermarket?
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